I think that it is going to be a hard one for some of us to let go of the concept that God does evil.
It reminds us how some of us that came through the denominations were as spirit began readjusting our understandings in things like eternal torment, the rapture, God saves all, what the devil really is.
The old prevailing thought used to be if anything was awry, it was said, "the devil made me do it." Slewfoot got blamed for it all. But now a switch has happened, instead of saying the "devil made me do it.", it is "God made me do it."
It will really just prove to be another lateral move, not a vertical one if we don't stay open. Its really just saying, "I used to be on this end of the spectrum but have now just slid over here."
Now I know what thought surfaces as I share this and that is that "I don't see good or evil, I just see God."
But I wonder who it is that is the "God of this world", that the bible speaks of? Is it the Source out of whom we came? Or another Father, another God?
Here is a teaching by Jesus that I believe helps to clear up this issue:
I have been taught that one meaning of the word “Father” means “starter”, for we know that the seed of the male when deposited in the female starts or initiates life. So let me quote from a few scriptures that Jesus said to the Jews.
John 8: 38 – I tell you the things which I have seen and learned at My Father’s side, and your actions also reflect what you have heard and learned from your father.
41 –You do the works of your father. They said to Him, We are not illegitimate children and born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 – Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, and respect Me and welcome Me gladly, for I proceeded (came forth) from God – out of His very presence. I did not even come on My own authority or of My own accord ( self appointed), but He sent Me.
44 – You are of your father the devil; and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires ( which are characteristic) of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him; for he is a liar and the father of lies and of all that is false.
So just what is it that Jesus is saying that fathers evil? What God or Father is he speaking of?
I think many fail to see the creative power that was invested in us as his creation. We have been creating all along. God took out of himself the image and likeness of himself. And these selves of him, called the Elohim in turn created an image and likeness of themselves, called man. And man, in his lowered and slowered condition, has in turn created an image and likeness of himself, called the ego.....who sits in the temple calling himself God.
Someone has put it very well I think when they said, "God created us in his image and we tried to return the complement." We in turn created God in our image. Man in his lowered condition could only create God as he knew himself to be. That is why man sees man doing evil and can call it God.
Now is God ultimately responsible for this? Yes, in the sense that the worlds were 'framed' by him. Anything that has a frame around it, has a boundary, or fence containing the contents. God knew that nothing could 'fall' outside of this boundary of true spirit that framed man.
God our Father and Source, knew when he turned the parts of himself loose to go into a far country that they would be trying out their creative skills as adolesent gods, not fully grown up into the image of their True Father. Now as the spirit of our Father, we never really left home, for spirit is omnipresent, everywhere. But as the soul of God we did.
God wanted to experience his creation. And he wanted to create a vessel that would be experientially mature not just be innocent virgins in the sense that we had never actually intersected with matter. Our experience with matter had to be complete...we had to marry, or really know intimately what it means to be human.
After awakening or having our old man crucified, or having the sense that we are only human and not spirit, these vessels could now be The New Creation Man that God was after all along when he started this whole process.
The New Creation Man, the union of heaven and earth as One.
Now this comes through the filter called Karen, born of her own growing pains, so you will have to in turn filter it through your own vessel if any of this resonates as truth in you.
Either yea or nay, all my love,
Karen
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(the following comments are to a responder to the above post)
Moving in, in Consciousness First
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Unless you see a thing already done, it will never get started.” Where this fits in, I don’t know, but again , they are His words. Maybe someone will know the meaning.
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Well Fran, I wouldn't claim to know 'the' meaning but I do know 'a' meaning.
And for illustration I will use my move here to Ohio. Once the decision was made that we wanted to move here, I began to look for houses online and found one I liked just a mile down the road from our son's. I asked my son, who is in the construction business, to go check it out for us and see if it looked like something that we would like and was liveable to us. He did this for us and gave us a good report about it. But the lady who was selling it wanted far more than we could afford and had it on the market for about a year and would not come down in her price prior to this.
But I began *to move* into this house and into Ohio in consciousness before we sold our house in NJ or even had it on the market yet. The spirit had told me some years before that I was going to move and it would be in such a way that everyone would know that it had been God.
We contacted the realtor out here who lined up some other houses for us to check out and was also going to show us the present house that we are in. I felt strongly that this was the house that was ours, even before I had literally seen it. We made a trip out here and my husband made a signed offer on it well below what the asking price was. And lo, and behold, the lady accepted it that day and threw in an additional carpet allowance for all new carpet as well, as she had ripped up all the old.
The realtor was stunned, for he had spent a year trying to sell this house and trying to talk this lady in coming down in her price to move it.
We put our house up on the market in NJ and it was sold the first day it was shown. We had so many people wanting it that they were bidding against one another to get and and because my husband is a very fair man, he wouldn't ask an exorbitant price for it, but these people bid it up over our asking price and we finally settled on one of the parties that offered us cash for our house. How many people do you know that can pay close to $200,000 cash for a house? All this happened so fast it was hard to keep up with all of it.
Well I shared that as a witness to what you said here, Fran. And I know that this is a just a natural thing, but the same principle applies to anything, me thinks.
I believe this happens to people, too, who are close to dying. They begin to cross over in consciousness before their spirit leaves for good. They begin to see those from the other side and hear celestial singing and have conversations with people that no one else can see. They are already moving in to their new reality.
For those that received healing in the bible it says that Jesus sent his word and healed them. The word always becomes flesh. I see this as the Logos word as the well out of which a Rhema word is drawn and fleshed out as manifestation.
The Logos as the said word of God
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The Rhema as the saying word of God...right now presence tense declaration that unfolds itself.
"Calling those things that are not as though they are".
Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world, but it wasn't played out in this realm until he came. It "was testified of in due time" here.
I like the way the Amplified bible translates the familiar passage that we all know. It says "that whatever you loose on earth must be what is already loosed in heaven and whatever you bind on earth must be what is already bound in heaven." All reality first flows out of our Source Reality, spirit. But I know you all know that.
Perhaps I'll touch on The New Creation Man in another post, Fran. We'll see. I'm sure others have some thoughts to share on it.
Love and communion with all,
Karen
