God "died" to Himself as the self-contained, God-All-In-One, in order to express Himself as the Many, the God-All-in-all. The Word was made flesh. He had to 'lose Himself' to find Himself as us.....lowered into death and futility.
I used to say that it was it was just Jesus, the man, that died on the cross, not the Christ...or that Christ could not die. And that is true at one level. God is eternal spirit, he was never born so, therefore, can never die.
But I found that Christ did die!
I began to take note of all the passages that says that Christ died and it flew in the face of my former theology or understandings. I'll list a few and then try to comment:
Rom. 5:6
While we were yet in weakness - powerless to help ourselves - at the fitting time CHRIST DIED for (in behalf) the ungodly.
Rom. 5:8
But God shows and clearly proves His love for us by the fact that while we were still sinners [short or immature of the glory] CHRIST, the Messiah, the Anointed One, DIED for us.
Rom. 14: 9
For CHRIST DIED and lived again for this very purpose, that he might be Lord both of the dead and the living.
Then in 1 Timothy he tells us there is just one mediatior, the One who brings man and God back together, THE MAN Christ Jesus:
[my comment: What manner of MAN is this that can reconcile a whole creation back into intimacy with its Maker opening a door of Hope for all?? Only the one who has overcome the whole gambit of death himself.]
"Who gave Himself a ransom for all, a fact that was attested to at the right and proper time.
And of this matter I was appointed an apostle (special messenger); I am speaking the truth, I do not falsify when I say this..."
Timothy tells us that there was an appointed time, a due time, an announcement at the right time, a witness given at the right time, a message given at the proper time as these other translations attempt to describe how that this death was already accomplished in the heavens, but was just now being enacted or displayed in time.
"With your blood You purchased men unto God from every tribe and language and people and nation."
"...brought into right relationship with God by Christ's blood (or death)..Rom 5
But
"...now that we are reconciled, we shall be saved, daily delivered from sin's dominion through HIS RESURRECTION LIFE."
Sin came into the world through one man and death as the result, so DEATH SPREAD TO ALL MEN, no one being able to stop it or to escape its power.
When and how did this death of Christ occur before time? There was a Lamb slain from the foundation or the disruption of the world. Rev. 13:8
The Death of Christ has its origins in the Mind of God. We all are the "slain Lamb of God" until the slain lamb is resurrected to live again. God's plan was formulated in the heavens but designed to be manifested or displayed in the earth. His creation is what gives expression to his invisible attributes.
His plan was to send Himself as the Lamb. He takes full responsibilty for the lowering and the resurrection of his sel-expressed creation. That is why we are told that :
"God provided HIMSELF a Lamb."
"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself."
With the completion of this plan, the reconciling of all, God would have the Man, a Corporate GodMan that would be able to co-create as Him new heavens and new earths, ever expanding and expressing God's potential.
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The birth of every child born in this world is a demonstration of how that Christ dies.
When an adult man and woman come together and produces a child, that child is not born an adult. He is born short of the glory of adulthood. The parents gave the child their life, but could not give him their "glory" or their wisdom and experience. This child will now give this life that has been given him 'a living'. How he invests his life energy will determine what kind of adulthood he experiences.
Now to switch gears and apply this spiritually, as long as the child of God is immature, the life or glory of God is held hostage, so to speak. We have had to learn about sin and death to experientially 'know all things'. And we have had to know and experience the consequences of our misdirected energy to understand how to choose again - how to make choices guided by love.
The Life of God in us is not created for it is of eternal essence. But mankind is the body that has been made to give a place for this Life to be birthed or demonstrated.
Until there is a divine disturbance or a divine encounter with Life, you or mankind, will just continues to live the life of little self.
Paul's life was used to paint a picture of this for us in a big way. He was divinely disturbed from the path of little self in order to meet his Higher Self, Christ Jesus.
Now I know that some teach that we have always been perfect and it is just religion that teaches us otherwise. And I truly do understand where they are coming from. But that really isn't the whole truth, although it is a truth that spirit is whole.
We have had to be lowered into mortality to learn about sin and death to experientially 'know all things'. We had to know and understand matter in order to become its savior. We have had to know and experience the consequences of our misdirected energy to understand how to choose again - how to make choices guided by love.
The Life of God in us is not created for it is of eternal essence. But mankind is the body that has been made to give a place for this Life to be birthed or demonstrated.
We wouldn't have been able to abide or bear this entrance into this lower realm unless we were lowered in consciousness and became mortal. That is why God takes full responsibility and provides the remedy, Himself. The Son is the Father expressed, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin (the immaturity) of the world.
The "Grown-Up Son" (The Manchild that is to be born first) becomes the Finisher of creation by becoming like his Grown-Up Author-Father!
I used to say that it was it was just Jesus, the man, that died on the cross, not the Christ...or that Christ could not die. And that is true at one level. God is eternal spirit, he was never born so, therefore, can never die.
But I found that Christ did die!
I began to take note of all the passages that says that Christ died and it flew in the face of my former theology or understandings. I'll list a few and then try to comment:
Rom. 5:6
While we were yet in weakness - powerless to help ourselves - at the fitting time CHRIST DIED for (in behalf) the ungodly.
Rom. 5:8
But God shows and clearly proves His love for us by the fact that while we were still sinners [short or immature of the glory] CHRIST, the Messiah, the Anointed One, DIED for us.
Rom. 14: 9
For CHRIST DIED and lived again for this very purpose, that he might be Lord both of the dead and the living.
Then in 1 Timothy he tells us there is just one mediatior, the One who brings man and God back together, THE MAN Christ Jesus:
[my comment: What manner of MAN is this that can reconcile a whole creation back into intimacy with its Maker opening a door of Hope for all?? Only the one who has overcome the whole gambit of death himself.]
"Who gave Himself a ransom for all, a fact that was attested to at the right and proper time.
And of this matter I was appointed an apostle (special messenger); I am speaking the truth, I do not falsify when I say this..."
Timothy tells us that there was an appointed time, a due time, an announcement at the right time, a witness given at the right time, a message given at the proper time as these other translations attempt to describe how that this death was already accomplished in the heavens, but was just now being enacted or displayed in time.
"With your blood You purchased men unto God from every tribe and language and people and nation."
"...brought into right relationship with God by Christ's blood (or death)..Rom 5
But
"...now that we are reconciled, we shall be saved, daily delivered from sin's dominion through HIS RESURRECTION LIFE."
Sin came into the world through one man and death as the result, so DEATH SPREAD TO ALL MEN, no one being able to stop it or to escape its power.
When and how did this death of Christ occur before time? There was a Lamb slain from the foundation or the disruption of the world. Rev. 13:8
The Death of Christ has its origins in the Mind of God. We all are the "slain Lamb of God" until the slain lamb is resurrected to live again. God's plan was formulated in the heavens but designed to be manifested or displayed in the earth. His creation is what gives expression to his invisible attributes.
His plan was to send Himself as the Lamb. He takes full responsibilty for the lowering and the resurrection of his sel-expressed creation. That is why we are told that :
"God provided HIMSELF a Lamb."
"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself."
With the completion of this plan, the reconciling of all, God would have the Man, a Corporate GodMan that would be able to co-create as Him new heavens and new earths, ever expanding and expressing God's potential.
**********************
The birth of every child born in this world is a demonstration of how that Christ dies.
When an adult man and woman come together and produces a child, that child is not born an adult. He is born short of the glory of adulthood. The parents gave the child their life, but could not give him their "glory" or their wisdom and experience. This child will now give this life that has been given him 'a living'. How he invests his life energy will determine what kind of adulthood he experiences.
Now to switch gears and apply this spiritually, as long as the child of God is immature, the life or glory of God is held hostage, so to speak. We have had to learn about sin and death to experientially 'know all things'. And we have had to know and experience the consequences of our misdirected energy to understand how to choose again - how to make choices guided by love.
The Life of God in us is not created for it is of eternal essence. But mankind is the body that has been made to give a place for this Life to be birthed or demonstrated.
Until there is a divine disturbance or a divine encounter with Life, you or mankind, will just continues to live the life of little self.
Paul's life was used to paint a picture of this for us in a big way. He was divinely disturbed from the path of little self in order to meet his Higher Self, Christ Jesus.
Now I know that some teach that we have always been perfect and it is just religion that teaches us otherwise. And I truly do understand where they are coming from. But that really isn't the whole truth, although it is a truth that spirit is whole.
We have had to be lowered into mortality to learn about sin and death to experientially 'know all things'. We had to know and understand matter in order to become its savior. We have had to know and experience the consequences of our misdirected energy to understand how to choose again - how to make choices guided by love.
The Life of God in us is not created for it is of eternal essence. But mankind is the body that has been made to give a place for this Life to be birthed or demonstrated.
We wouldn't have been able to abide or bear this entrance into this lower realm unless we were lowered in consciousness and became mortal. That is why God takes full responsibility and provides the remedy, Himself. The Son is the Father expressed, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin (the immaturity) of the world.
The "Grown-Up Son" (The Manchild that is to be born first) becomes the Finisher of creation by becoming like his Grown-Up Author-Father!
