2 Peter 3
In these verses, Peter speaks of the the three heavens and earth:
"That by the word of God the heavens of old.....
the world that then was overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth that are now, but the same word are kept in store......"
2 Peter 5:13
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and earth.
Peter is not just referring to the flood, but to the chaos between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2
We were chosen in Christ before the foundation (casting down or disruption) of the world. "In the beginnings God created the heaven and the earth." The word is more correctly translated 'beginnings' with an 's'. There is more than one beginning.
The heavens were created first - God is the father of spirits. This is the invisible-spiritual realm - the ruling realm. Life is invisible. It existed long before it was made visible. When God created the first heaven and earth, He simply spoke a WORD, and it was done complete and whole. Psa. 33:9
The Word is Christ, Annointed Spirit which is God. Christ is the Image and Form of God, but yet invisible to human eyes.
Col 1:15 "The exact likeness of the unseen God, the visible representation of the invisible."
He is also the ANGEL of God's presence. Ex. 32:34 This is Christ in angelic form in order to be visible to Moses, but this was not Jesus! His body had not yet been formed in the womb of Mary.
There was a race or species of angelic men long before our present heaven and earth was created which lived between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2. "In the beginnings God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. And God said: "Let there be light, and there was light."
We believe that "face" of the "deep" and "face" of the "waters" speak of the conscious or sub-conscious minds of intelligent beings able to hear and obey the Word of God if we compare spiritual with spiritual in interpreting this.
So, as we were saying, Peter is referring to the chaos between these two verses when he tells of the first heavens and the earth perishing. Comparing this with Jeremiah 4:23-25, who also spoke of this disaster, "I beheld and lo there was no man." In the flood there were eight souls that had not perished. The world that we have today is actually the second heavens and earth. But we are looking for new heavens and earth in which dwelleth righteousness - the third heaven and earth.
Going back to Gen. 1:2, God did not leave this heaven and earth in this chaotic condition. We read that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the Deep. "Face" speaks of intelligence and "Deep" speaks of the unconscious realm. God is speaking to beings that are able to respond. In Revelations "water" speaks of a multitude. God is always the first Mover in the restoration of his creatures. "God said, let there be light -- and there was light." Spirit speaking to spirit.
This is an allegory describing our own awakening. Christ within is the first mover. He moves upon our unconscious mind, awakening our memory to who we once were in God. Christ awakens our inherent or pre-birth wisdom lying dormant within us causing us to "come to ourself" as the prodigal son "came to himself". "I will arise and go to my father." So we remember our Father.
"By faith are ye saved, and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God". This takes up back to the very beginning, before there was anything, no-thing, just Spirit thought, or God's Idea.
Before time began we were a thought in the mind of God. We were chosen in Christ before the foundation (disruption or casting down) of the world.
The Word-Christ or the Christ-Word is God's Creative Orginal the Concorant Literal Version calls him. The beginning of the creation of God when God spoke forth his own Son out of his bosom, conceived in thought, and now expressed and manifested in image and form.
He is the First Born of every creature and is also the First Born from the dead, therefore he is the head of both
The Old and the New Creation. He/We are the orginal creative power through which God created all things: all authorities, rulers, and kingdoms, visible and invisible: all came into existance through the SPOKEN WORD-CHRIST, all was created in him and through and for him and he is holding all things together and reconciling all things unto himself, in Him, I say, whether things in Earth or in Heaven.
Col. 1:20
All things natural and spiritual are created in and through and for Christ. He is the center and circumference of all things. There is No-thing outside of Christ. God's creative orginal or First-born of every creature or living thing - giving life to all things. A "thing" is spirit made visible. Even his visible body is called "The Holy Thing" when formed in the womb of Mary.
A few thoughts by our dear Sis. Dora Van Assen with a few of mine mingled in.
Love and blessings,
Karen
"Every individual who becomes a clear and undiluted channel for eternal love into these times offsets a thousand who remain locked in the dissolving values of the old."
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I definitely believe that Paul was caught ahead when he speaks of being caught up to the third heaven.
He saw and heard things of the New Heaven and the New Earth.....or what really constitutes the New Creation Man and also probably what he saw this New Creation Man doing creatively......
This Third Day Perfected Body that Jesus spoke of.
David, in the OT was a shadow and type of this ministry when he ate of the shewbread that was only lawful for the priests to do. So, it was by grace that he was allowed to eat of the shewbread. He became the King and through this act of grace he was prophetically showing forth the King/Priest ministry that was yet to come.
He was, in fact, reaching into an age to come and tasting of the powers of that world.
I believe that was what Paul was doing too.
I believe that Jesus came from our future to show us what a finished Son of God is all about. He was showing the house unto the house. We got to see ourself in finished form before we ever walked it out in form for ourself. That is why he said, "deny yourself and take up your cross and follow him.".....he knew it would lead us into our True Self.
So, we have had some 'catching up' to do.....some catching up with Ourself.....so we could manifest at-one-ment.
Love, Karen
Thursday, June 08, 2006
All Seeds Must Grow to Fruition
Dear Ones,
I have seen those who are proclaiming that they are the I Am and that they are God whose outer lives are so screwed up that it actually serves as a mockery to God instead of a testimony to the glory of God.
It is not in just giving mental assent to truth that finalizes it in all aspects of your life. The natural mind loves to play God, it doesn't care at all how much truth you talk about, but it does get uneasy when you actually start to walk in it.
I don't think that the counsel that comes from our brother ----- here is to be mocked and totally thrown aside. God places in our natural bodies actions and abilities that inhibit harmfull cell production as well as those that encourage cell production. To think that both are not needed is to have an unhealthy diseased body.
Everthing here in this life testifies about growth - Every seed, every crystal, every embyro, every invention.
How many of you are happy that you don't have to hitch you horses to a wagon every time you go to town? Doesn't the horses under the hood of your car better serve you? Ladies, how about those automatic washers and dryers you use. A sight easier than the old washboard, huh? We don't wait months for the pony express to get a message through, but have almost instantaneous communication any where in the world.
The upgrading of consciousness affects every avenue of all of life. Jesus taught us that the seed that he himself was, was going to be planted and grow. And he also stated that this life that he was would fall into the ground and die and be raised the the 3rd day. Again testifying about the outworking of this life.
Now those who teach about the finished work of God being a done deal are "beholding Him" for it is in beholding him that we are holding in our consciousness what it means to be the fullness of God. Now I believe that it is most necessary to do this for wherever your attention goes, energy flows.
That is the part of the equation where we "are complete in him" but remember when Jesus hung on the crosss and said "I thirst".
The other part of this equation is God's desire, God's thirst. His longing is to be complete in us as well. And Jesus said that the seed of himself falls into all kinds of ground. And even in the good ground it only produces in some a 30 fold growth, still others a 60 but in the firsfruits unto God it will be a 100 fold reproduction.
Those of the 30 fold growth are teaching from the light of the outer court symbolized by the tabernacle teaching. It is natural light. The light in the outer court came from the sunshine. This is the reasoning of the mind. I see all kinds of reasoning and high sounding truths that come forth but are still the light of the natural mind.
The 60 fold growth teaching is those who have moved into partaking of the bread of life and living by the the light of the candlestick with its nine embellishments. They operate out of the gift realm. They have not yet laid down the gifts to become the gift.
The 100 fold are those who move into that Most Holy Place, not just in their mind, but take their whole, spirit, soul, and body into the Shekinah Glory Light.
And when this Priest comes forth, he brings back out to the people the whole package. He isn't just proclaiming with his mouth one thing and living his life as another thing. There is upon him and his words the Shekinah glory that he had with the Father before the world was.
Our High Priest showed us how it was done. And it behooves us to build on no other foundation or blueprint.
So we have to take up our cross too he said. He patterned the way for us. His cross was not the end of our cross. He was the forerunner, indicating that we have some running to do too. He was the Waymaker; we have to follow in that way. I think this is what our Bro. Keny is trying to say. We are leaning how, not just what.
Its not automatically done for you. We are not preprogrammed robots like many are teaching, imo. What kind of glory does that bring God. That he has an offspring that doen't have enough life in it to grow up and stand in their fathers stead as him.
Grace and Glory to all,
Karen
I have seen those who are proclaiming that they are the I Am and that they are God whose outer lives are so screwed up that it actually serves as a mockery to God instead of a testimony to the glory of God.
It is not in just giving mental assent to truth that finalizes it in all aspects of your life. The natural mind loves to play God, it doesn't care at all how much truth you talk about, but it does get uneasy when you actually start to walk in it.
I don't think that the counsel that comes from our brother ----- here is to be mocked and totally thrown aside. God places in our natural bodies actions and abilities that inhibit harmfull cell production as well as those that encourage cell production. To think that both are not needed is to have an unhealthy diseased body.
Everthing here in this life testifies about growth - Every seed, every crystal, every embyro, every invention.
How many of you are happy that you don't have to hitch you horses to a wagon every time you go to town? Doesn't the horses under the hood of your car better serve you? Ladies, how about those automatic washers and dryers you use. A sight easier than the old washboard, huh? We don't wait months for the pony express to get a message through, but have almost instantaneous communication any where in the world.
The upgrading of consciousness affects every avenue of all of life. Jesus taught us that the seed that he himself was, was going to be planted and grow. And he also stated that this life that he was would fall into the ground and die and be raised the the 3rd day. Again testifying about the outworking of this life.
Now those who teach about the finished work of God being a done deal are "beholding Him" for it is in beholding him that we are holding in our consciousness what it means to be the fullness of God. Now I believe that it is most necessary to do this for wherever your attention goes, energy flows.
That is the part of the equation where we "are complete in him" but remember when Jesus hung on the crosss and said "I thirst".
The other part of this equation is God's desire, God's thirst. His longing is to be complete in us as well. And Jesus said that the seed of himself falls into all kinds of ground. And even in the good ground it only produces in some a 30 fold growth, still others a 60 but in the firsfruits unto God it will be a 100 fold reproduction.
Those of the 30 fold growth are teaching from the light of the outer court symbolized by the tabernacle teaching. It is natural light. The light in the outer court came from the sunshine. This is the reasoning of the mind. I see all kinds of reasoning and high sounding truths that come forth but are still the light of the natural mind.
The 60 fold growth teaching is those who have moved into partaking of the bread of life and living by the the light of the candlestick with its nine embellishments. They operate out of the gift realm. They have not yet laid down the gifts to become the gift.
The 100 fold are those who move into that Most Holy Place, not just in their mind, but take their whole, spirit, soul, and body into the Shekinah Glory Light.
And when this Priest comes forth, he brings back out to the people the whole package. He isn't just proclaiming with his mouth one thing and living his life as another thing. There is upon him and his words the Shekinah glory that he had with the Father before the world was.
Our High Priest showed us how it was done. And it behooves us to build on no other foundation or blueprint.
So we have to take up our cross too he said. He patterned the way for us. His cross was not the end of our cross. He was the forerunner, indicating that we have some running to do too. He was the Waymaker; we have to follow in that way. I think this is what our Bro. Keny is trying to say. We are leaning how, not just what.
Its not automatically done for you. We are not preprogrammed robots like many are teaching, imo. What kind of glory does that bring God. That he has an offspring that doen't have enough life in it to grow up and stand in their fathers stead as him.
Grace and Glory to all,
Karen
The First Noel - decoded
"Let me paint a picture for a moment. An angel comes to Mary, a messenger is the right interpretation. Not a being with fluffy wings as usually thought, but I would like to suggest that this was the divine thought of God that came to her. Her higher thought came to her and Mary was not doing well with that thought because it didn't fit her culture or her religion, or what it meant to be a woman. Have you ever had a thought come into your awareness while in meditation and your ego say, "Oh no, I don't believe that." We won't even entertain that thought because it doesn't fit our precious spiritual concepts. That's the way Mary was.
Mary represents our minds that are trying to receive truth from a higher place within us and is having trouble receiving the information. Mary say "How can this be, seeing I know not a man?"
So, Mary needed a little help and the Holy Spirit is called in to prepare the mind of Mary for penetration. The Holy spirit represented the foreplay or what it took for the womb of the mind to become opened to a new suggestion from the higher part of her mind that was not part of preconceived concepts.
The passage now says that the Most High overshadowed her. By interpretation this name for God is El Elyon in the original. So in the past there was El Shaddai and Yahweh and now we have El Elyon showing up. The Most High overshadowed her and the conception took place and the very seed of God was placed in the consciouness of the species first in a woman.
As you take this concept out of its historical meaning and bring it in the house, we can see how we still need the Holy Spirit to prepare our minds to receive the overshadowing of the higher self. We can see how this higher spiritual part of the mind that has not been penetrated is being called virgin. It has not been penetrated by culture or religion and not even by your own ancestral genetics.
There is such a pure place of self that can only receive what is already inside of you and will never open up to that that originates from the outside. This higher mind or virgin will never produce the seed of this world but is there only to produce the seed of God.
This is not happening in just the one man called Jesus Christ. We honor Jesus as the first to produce that seed at the cellular level, hence the human resurrection.
The whole idea of a physical and biological resurrection is the fact that Jesus brought forth a biology at the frequency of his own spirit. So the body part of him could say, just as much as the spirit part of him, “I AM, touch me. I am no longer hidden inside this body that is the product of many earthly seeds; I am the product of one seed.”
excerpt of "The Seed was First in A Woman" by David Hulse
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The whole idea of a physical and biological resurrection is the fact that Jesus brought forth a biology at the frequency of his own spirit
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Unless our biology is made equal to the frequency of our spirit it will not be able to hold the greater glory or to put it bluntly, we will die in our immaturity....the seed not having made it to full bloom.
"These all died, controlled and sustained by their faith, but not having received the tangible fulfillment of [God's] promises, only having seen it and greeted it from a great distance by faith, and all the while acknowledging and confessing that they were strangers and temporary residents and exiles upon the earth. And all of these, though they won divine approval by [means of] their faith, did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised,
Because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for us, so that they should not come to perfection (maturity) apart from us, [that is before we could join them].
Unless our earth or our flesh is now made word as we once were the word made flesh, it will not be able to reveal the greater glory.
"The whole creation groans and travails for the manifestation of the sons of God". Now bring that passage in the house, and it can be seen as the creation man, my flesh, groans to be delivered from its denseness and limitation into the glorious liberty of the son of god that my spirit man is...a joint heir with Christ...an equal heir with Christ.
Some more of my ponderings as we become the first collective Noel....That Holy Thing
Karen
Mary represents our minds that are trying to receive truth from a higher place within us and is having trouble receiving the information. Mary say "How can this be, seeing I know not a man?"
So, Mary needed a little help and the Holy Spirit is called in to prepare the mind of Mary for penetration. The Holy spirit represented the foreplay or what it took for the womb of the mind to become opened to a new suggestion from the higher part of her mind that was not part of preconceived concepts.
The passage now says that the Most High overshadowed her. By interpretation this name for God is El Elyon in the original. So in the past there was El Shaddai and Yahweh and now we have El Elyon showing up. The Most High overshadowed her and the conception took place and the very seed of God was placed in the consciouness of the species first in a woman.
As you take this concept out of its historical meaning and bring it in the house, we can see how we still need the Holy Spirit to prepare our minds to receive the overshadowing of the higher self. We can see how this higher spiritual part of the mind that has not been penetrated is being called virgin. It has not been penetrated by culture or religion and not even by your own ancestral genetics.
There is such a pure place of self that can only receive what is already inside of you and will never open up to that that originates from the outside. This higher mind or virgin will never produce the seed of this world but is there only to produce the seed of God.
This is not happening in just the one man called Jesus Christ. We honor Jesus as the first to produce that seed at the cellular level, hence the human resurrection.
The whole idea of a physical and biological resurrection is the fact that Jesus brought forth a biology at the frequency of his own spirit. So the body part of him could say, just as much as the spirit part of him, “I AM, touch me. I am no longer hidden inside this body that is the product of many earthly seeds; I am the product of one seed.”
excerpt of "The Seed was First in A Woman" by David Hulse
Quote:
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The whole idea of a physical and biological resurrection is the fact that Jesus brought forth a biology at the frequency of his own spirit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unless our biology is made equal to the frequency of our spirit it will not be able to hold the greater glory or to put it bluntly, we will die in our immaturity....the seed not having made it to full bloom.
"These all died, controlled and sustained by their faith, but not having received the tangible fulfillment of [God's] promises, only having seen it and greeted it from a great distance by faith, and all the while acknowledging and confessing that they were strangers and temporary residents and exiles upon the earth. And all of these, though they won divine approval by [means of] their faith, did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised,
Because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for us, so that they should not come to perfection (maturity) apart from us, [that is before we could join them].
Unless our earth or our flesh is now made word as we once were the word made flesh, it will not be able to reveal the greater glory.
"The whole creation groans and travails for the manifestation of the sons of God". Now bring that passage in the house, and it can be seen as the creation man, my flesh, groans to be delivered from its denseness and limitation into the glorious liberty of the son of god that my spirit man is...a joint heir with Christ...an equal heir with Christ.
Some more of my ponderings as we become the first collective Noel....That Holy Thing
Karen
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