The Incarnational Perspective

by Ken Carey

There are many ways to look at the challenges and opportunities that now await human decision. The incarnation perspective is an effective complement to the evolutionary perspective and one that, personally, I find most helpful.

The evolutionary paradigm implies that human intelligence has developed in in association with the earth. This is true of that subjective, body-associated sense of self that we call the human ego. But egos are only one half of the human equation. The complete human, Homo universalis, is a spirit/ego partnership.

The spirits that join the egos to create Homo universalis are individualized aspects of the one holy and eternal spirit. They do not evovle. They incarnate. Their intelligence is pre-existent. It seeks sensitive, pliable and responsive biological circuitry. Yet the egos are the guardians of this biological circuitry, the stewards of the human bodies, minds and hearts; and without the ego's cooperation, spirit/ego bonding is impossible.

Before we can secure the cooperation of the ego, it is necessary that we know something about it. First of all, despite all that is said and written to the contrary, the ego is not a "bad" thing. The ego is here to look after the physical body, to make sure it gets enough to eat, to make sure it doesn't walk over the edge of a cliff or step out in front of a moving automobile. The ego is an important and necessary component of a healthy human identity. However - and this is an important however- the ego was never meant to be the primary component of identity.

In a healthy state, the ego is a secondary component of identity. In a healthy state, the being behind all being, the self behind every self, the life behind all of creation is experienced as one's primary sense of self. The ego does not have to be repressed or transcended for this to happen. It certainly does not have to die. It simply has to assume an appropriate relationship with the spirits that, in truth, we are.

The ego is only evolving until the point where it gets its role straight and ceases "trying to do everything all by itself." Then its "evolutionary processes" are complete and a beautiful reversal takes place. Instead of the ego dominating ones sense of self and spirit being buried somewhere within, a literal polarity reversal occurs. An eternal sense of self awakens in human consciousness. Everything is transformed. Everything is different. The world is perceived anew through the eyes of a universal awareness. The ego becomes the partner of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of wholeness. It is the spirit of the Creator, incarnating through the biosphere of this planet. As the Creator's spirit differentiates, like light through a prism, it becomes many individualized God-beings. Each of us, in essence, is one of these individual God-beings. We are each designed to incarnate in a human body/mind/heart system. It is we who, as it is recorded in Gensis, "created man after our image and after our likeness." Our extraterrestrial intelligence is the missing dimension, the rejected aspect of the tue human. For thousands of years, the egos have been afraid of us. Many of them are now learning that they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by establishing contact with us once again.

My ego and I are friends now, but back along the way my ego gave me a good deal of trouble. It was not until I succeeded in getting it to record my first book that it began to truly open itself to my pressence and listen to my suggestions on how we might stablize as a single coherent being. At some point during the recording of these transmissions, my ego began to love my spirit. It realized that it was, by nature, a reflection; and that it could either be a good, sharp, clear reflection or try to be somehow "independent". I helped it to see that there is no such thing as an "independent reflection." Eventually my ego learned that, though it could create the illusion of such a state, it would always be troubled and unfulfilled in such a fictitious condition. It came to understand that union with my spirit would solve all its problems and open the door to a future beyond its most wonderful dreams.

There are many of us whose sense of identity rests in spirit. We are aware of a continuity of consciousness going back to the the creation of the first atoms, the appearance of the first stars and the first gases between them. We are not particularly requiring access to our higher selves. We are the higher selves. What we need is responsive biological circuitry: human bodies, minds and hearts that are not overly distracted with the input of their physical senses, but that are aware of our presence, that listen to our suggestions on how we and they might join together in the spirit/ego bonding that is required to complete the true human. We seek the friendship of the egos. What we wish to communicate to them is simply this:

"Relax. Your fears of the Holy Spirit are ungrounded. Your purposes are served more effectively, more enjoyably and more thoroughly, through working with us. We are your lovers, your friends, your eternal co-creative partners. You will gain more through cooperation with us than oxygen gained through cooperating with hydrogen. As soon as a few of you have relaxed with us in Holy Communion, as soon as the new behavior is modelled, it will spread very rapidly then, very rapidly indeed!"

If you are interested in the realizaion of your fullest potential, you may find that channelling helps you to move beyond the blocks and the impasses that inevitably appear in the path of those who think of themselves as "evolving creatures." For many, channeling is a useful step in help them to remember that they are, in essence, perfect beings, created in the image and likeness of God.

What Is Channeling?

Channeling is simply detaching from your limited snsese of self and relaxing into a more natural experience of who you are. It is something anyone can do. If you are in the early stages of emerging out of a fictitious culturally-definded sense of self, it is valuable to establish dialogue with your eternal spiritual counterpart. It helps to reacquaint you with your real nature.

Far from being a rare gift, the ability is inherent within each of us to blend with our Creator's consciousness and to translate that consciousness into our human languages. In the beginning your channeling may simply take the form of writing down your highest vision, recording the voice of your potential as it speaks to your present. In the later stages, as you relax with the process, you will discover that you have clear access to unliimited intelligence, both universal and eternal. But don't stop there! Channeling is like lovers speaking to one another on the telephone. If they are moderately intelligent and if their attraction is genuine, they go on to create conditions conducive to a closer, more intimate exchange.

To achieve the fullness of the opporturity that is present through communication with the lager field of universal intelligence, communication needs to flow into communion. Communion needs to merge into union. And that union is the incarnatiion. Think about it.

Occurring on a world scale, this is nothing less than the event prophesied in the myths and legends of virtually every race, tribe, and nation the world over. A mass incarnation of god-beings from the stars, a descent of angels - call it what you will - it is the literal awakening of an eternal Creator's consciousness inside a biological human family. And it has begun.

Our effectiveness now lies, not in segregating ourselves according to how we like to think about things, but in transcending our concepts and favored paradigms and joining together in a commonality of spirit with all those who share our purpose. Our purpose is to harmonise with one another, with the Creator and with the earth, to create a world of win/win interaction that works for everyone, a world that allows for the optimal development of all creative potential. We are not without a blueprint. Spirit has a couple of pages. Ego has a couple of others. Let's work together, resonating around our shared purpose, developing a common language and creating common strategies. Humankind is on the threshold of a fundamental species-transition. Let's do what we can to help it occur gracefully. Like the opening of a flower. Or the arrival of a friend.

Every Word Established

If every Word - and are we not the "sent" words of God ("As the Father sent me, so send I you.") is to be established by two or three witnesses, what do we know those three witnesses to be? What does it mean to be ESTABLISHED?

Jesus gave us the report that there were some works that he was given to finish here and those same works that he did bore witness of him that he was sent of the Father. And he said that the Father himself bore witness of him. John 5

For me this means that Jesus himself was one witness, (the visible manifestaion of the invisible God), the works that he was given to do was another and knowing his Father or his Source within as himself was the inner spirit witness.

Jesus actualized or brought into manifestation what the invisible attributes of God or Spirit is. He was God on Assignment with something to do while here.

My knowing tells me that we 'cells' of this Christ Body have been communicating among ourselves/ourcells and sorting out our assignments while we have been gestating in the womb of time. "Okay, I see, you are an eye, and I believe I am a hand, and I see a foot developing over there", but I don't believe that we have seen the corporate birth of this company in this earth yet, for we don't see ourselves or yet behave as this Unit that must work together as One Man.

I met a brother recently that was communicated to from the 'other side' and they told him that we were to build a bridge. That they had built theirs from their side and would meet us on the bridge and love was what would build this bridge. They told him many had been sent to build the bridge over the ages but they wouldn't join forces.

We must bring our loaves and fishes together, no matter how few, and we can feed the multitudes. Or are we content to let death reign supreme in this earth, war to continue, and chaos to prevail. Will we cry out for the song of victory to sweep this entire planet no matter who sings it? Those who join hearts, not heads, will be the builders of the new heaven and the new earth

Isn't there a song that says "Love will build a bridge" ?

Words and Music by Naomi Judd, John Jarvis and Paul Overstreet
I'd gladly walk across the desert
With no shoes upon my feet
To share with you the last bite
Of bread I had to eat
I would swim out to save you
In your sea of broken dreams
When all your hopes are sinkin'
Let me show you what love means

(Chorus)

Love can build a bridge
Between your heart and mine
Love can build a bridge
Don't you think it's time?
Don't you think it's time?

I would whisper love so loudly
Every heart could understand
That love and only love
Can join the tribes of man
I would give my heart's desire
So that you might see
The first step is to realize
That it all begins with you and me

(Repeat Chorus)

When we stand together
It's our finest hour
We can do anything, anything
Keep believin' in the power

(Repeat Chorus)

Love and only love
Love and only love

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(the following is a reply to remarks made to above post)

And ah yes, the Mountain of the Lord.

"And it shall come to pass in the last days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be exalted above the hills; and ALL NATIONS shall flow unto it.

"And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths; for out of Zion ( the approachable mountain, not Mt. Sinai) shall go forth the law, ( the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus) and word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

And he shall judge among the nations and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Now those nations acquiesing before the mountain or high place of spirit, I believe, are all seen as in us first. When all our beasts(every thought and emotion) are brought into the Ark, they find their salvation in Noah's Ark, which proved to be 300 cubits, three stories high of the manifested Word of God. Noah translated the word he received, by obeying that word,into an actualized manifestation that became Salvation to his world.

Noah blesssings to all,
Rest and Peace to our Earth and Goodwill to all,
Karen

Three Heavens and Three Earths

2 Peter 3

In these verses, Peter speaks of the the three heavens and earth:

"That by the word of God the heavens of old.....
the world that then was overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth that are now, but the same word are kept in store......"

2 Peter 5:13
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and earth.

Peter is not just referring to the flood, but to the chaos between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2

We were chosen in Christ before the foundation (casting down or disruption) of the world. "In the beginnings God created the heaven and the earth." The word is more correctly translated 'beginnings' with an 's'. There is more than one beginning.

The heavens were created first - God is the father of spirits. This is the invisible-spiritual realm - the ruling realm. Life is invisible. It existed long before it was made visible. When God created the first heaven and earth, He simply spoke a WORD, and it was done complete and whole. Psa. 33:9

The Word is Christ, Annointed Spirit which is God. Christ is the Image and Form of God, but yet invisible to human eyes.
Col 1:15 "The exact likeness of the unseen God, the visible representation of the invisible."

He is also the ANGEL of God's presence. Ex. 32:34 This is Christ in angelic form in order to be visible to Moses, but this was not Jesus! His body had not yet been formed in the womb of Mary.

There was a race or species of angelic men long before our present heaven and earth was created which lived between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2. "In the beginnings God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit moved upon the face of the waters. And God said: "Let there be light, and there was light."

We believe that "face" of the "deep" and "face" of the "waters" speak of the conscious or sub-conscious minds of intelligent beings able to hear and obey the Word of God if we compare spiritual with spiritual in interpreting this.

So, as we were saying, Peter is referring to the chaos between these two verses when he tells of the first heavens and the earth perishing. Comparing this with Jeremiah 4:23-25, who also spoke of this disaster, "I beheld and lo there was no man." In the flood there were eight souls that had not perished. The world that we have today is actually the second heavens and earth. But we are looking for new heavens and earth in which dwelleth righteousness - the third heaven and earth.

Going back to Gen. 1:2, God did not leave this heaven and earth in this chaotic condition. We read that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the Deep. "Face" speaks of intelligence and "Deep" speaks of the unconscious realm. God is speaking to beings that are able to respond. In Revelations "water" speaks of a multitude. God is always the first Mover in the restoration of his creatures. "God said, let there be light -- and there was light." Spirit speaking to spirit.

This is an allegory describing our own awakening. Christ within is the first mover. He moves upon our unconscious mind, awakening our memory to who we once were in God. Christ awakens our inherent or pre-birth wisdom lying dormant within us causing us to "come to ourself" as the prodigal son "came to himself". "I will arise and go to my father." So we remember our Father.

"By faith are ye saved, and that not of yourself, it is the gift of God". This takes up back to the very beginning, before there was anything, no-thing, just Spirit thought, or God's Idea.

Before time began we were a thought in the mind of God. We were chosen in Christ before the foundation (disruption or casting down) of the world.

The Word-Christ or the Christ-Word is God's Creative Orginal the Concorant Literal Version calls him. The beginning of the creation of God when God spoke forth his own Son out of his bosom, conceived in thought, and now expressed and manifested in image and form.

He is the First Born of every creature and is also the First Born from the dead, therefore he is the head of both
The Old and the New Creation. He/We are the orginal creative power through which God created all things: all authorities, rulers, and kingdoms, visible and invisible: all came into existance through the SPOKEN WORD-CHRIST, all was created in him and through and for him and he is holding all things together and reconciling all things unto himself, in Him, I say, whether things in Earth or in Heaven.
Col. 1:20

All things natural and spiritual are created in and through and for Christ. He is the center and circumference of all things. There is No-thing outside of Christ. God's creative orginal or First-born of every creature or living thing - giving life to all things. A "thing" is spirit made visible. Even his visible body is called "The Holy Thing" when formed in the womb of Mary.

A few thoughts by our dear Sis. Dora Van Assen with a few of mine mingled in.

Love and blessings,
Karen
"Every individual who becomes a clear and undiluted channel for eternal love into these times offsets a thousand who remain locked in the dissolving values of the old."

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I definitely believe that Paul was caught ahead when he speaks of being caught up to the third heaven.

He saw and heard things of the New Heaven and the New Earth.....or what really constitutes the New Creation Man and also probably what he saw this New Creation Man doing creatively......

This Third Day Perfected Body that Jesus spoke of.

David, in the OT was a shadow and type of this ministry when he ate of the shewbread that was only lawful for the priests to do. So, it was by grace that he was allowed to eat of the shewbread. He became the King and through this act of grace he was prophetically showing forth the King/Priest ministry that was yet to come.

He was, in fact, reaching into an age to come and tasting of the powers of that world.

I believe that was what Paul was doing too.

I believe that Jesus came from our future to show us what a finished Son of God is all about. He was showing the house unto the house. We got to see ourself in finished form before we ever walked it out in form for ourself. That is why he said, "deny yourself and take up your cross and follow him.".....he knew it would lead us into our True Self.

So, we have had some 'catching up' to do.....some catching up with Ourself.....so we could manifest at-one-ment.

Love, Karen

All Seeds Must Grow to Fruition

Dear Ones,

I have seen those who are proclaiming that they are the I Am and that they are God whose outer lives are so screwed up that it actually serves as a mockery to God instead of a testimony to the glory of God.

It is not in just giving mental assent to truth that finalizes it in all aspects of your life. The natural mind loves to play God, it doesn't care at all how much truth you talk about, but it does get uneasy when you actually start to walk in it.

I don't think that the counsel that comes from our brother ----- here is to be mocked and totally thrown aside. God places in our natural bodies actions and abilities that inhibit harmfull cell production as well as those that encourage cell production. To think that both are not needed is to have an unhealthy diseased body.

Everthing here in this life testifies about growth - Every seed, every crystal, every embyro, every invention.

How many of you are happy that you don't have to hitch you horses to a wagon every time you go to town? Doesn't the horses under the hood of your car better serve you? Ladies, how about those automatic washers and dryers you use. A sight easier than the old washboard, huh? We don't wait months for the pony express to get a message through, but have almost instantaneous communication any where in the world.

The upgrading of consciousness affects every avenue of all of life. Jesus taught us that the seed that he himself was, was going to be planted and grow. And he also stated that this life that he was would fall into the ground and die and be raised the the 3rd day. Again testifying about the outworking of this life.

Now those who teach about the finished work of God being a done deal are "beholding Him" for it is in beholding him that we are holding in our consciousness what it means to be the fullness of God. Now I believe that it is most necessary to do this for wherever your attention goes, energy flows.

That is the part of the equation where we "are complete in him" but remember when Jesus hung on the crosss and said "I thirst".

The other part of this equation is God's desire, God's thirst. His longing is to be complete in us as well. And Jesus said that the seed of himself falls into all kinds of ground. And even in the good ground it only produces in some a 30 fold growth, still others a 60 but in the firsfruits unto God it will be a 100 fold reproduction.

Those of the 30 fold growth are teaching from the light of the outer court symbolized by the tabernacle teaching. It is natural light. The light in the outer court came from the sunshine. This is the reasoning of the mind. I see all kinds of reasoning and high sounding truths that come forth but are still the light of the natural mind.

The 60 fold growth teaching is those who have moved into partaking of the bread of life and living by the the light of the candlestick with its nine embellishments. They operate out of the gift realm. They have not yet laid down the gifts to become the gift.

The 100 fold are those who move into that Most Holy Place, not just in their mind, but take their whole, spirit, soul, and body into the Shekinah Glory Light.

And when this Priest comes forth, he brings back out to the people the whole package. He isn't just proclaiming with his mouth one thing and living his life as another thing. There is upon him and his words the Shekinah glory that he had with the Father before the world was.

Our High Priest showed us how it was done. And it behooves us to build on no other foundation or blueprint.

So we have to take up our cross too he said. He patterned the way for us. His cross was not the end of our cross. He was the forerunner, indicating that we have some running to do too. He was the Waymaker; we have to follow in that way. I think this is what our Bro. Keny is trying to say. We are leaning how, not just what.

Its not automatically done for you. We are not preprogrammed robots like many are teaching, imo. What kind of glory does that bring God. That he has an offspring that doen't have enough life in it to grow up and stand in their fathers stead as him.

Grace and Glory to all,
Karen

The First Noel - decoded

"Let me paint a picture for a moment. An angel comes to Mary, a messenger is the right interpretation. Not a being with fluffy wings as usually thought, but I would like to suggest that this was the divine thought of God that came to her. Her higher thought came to her and Mary was not doing well with that thought because it didn't fit her culture or her religion, or what it meant to be a woman. Have you ever had a thought come into your awareness while in meditation and your ego say, "Oh no, I don't believe that." We won't even entertain that thought because it doesn't fit our precious spiritual concepts. That's the way Mary was.

Mary represents our minds that are trying to receive truth from a higher place within us and is having trouble receiving the information. Mary say "How can this be, seeing I know not a man?"

So, Mary needed a little help and the Holy Spirit is called in to prepare the mind of Mary for penetration. The Holy spirit represented the foreplay or what it took for the womb of the mind to become opened to a new suggestion from the higher part of her mind that was not part of preconceived concepts.

The passage now says that the Most High overshadowed her. By interpretation this name for God is El Elyon in the original. So in the past there was El Shaddai and Yahweh and now we have El Elyon showing up. The Most High overshadowed her and the conception took place and the very seed of God was placed in the consciouness of the species first in a woman.

As you take this concept out of its historical meaning and bring it in the house, we can see how we still need the Holy Spirit to prepare our minds to receive the overshadowing of the higher self. We can see how this higher spiritual part of the mind that has not been penetrated is being called virgin. It has not been penetrated by culture or religion and not even by your own ancestral genetics.

There is such a pure place of self that can only receive what is already inside of you and will never open up to that that originates from the outside. This higher mind or virgin will never produce the seed of this world but is there only to produce the seed of God.

This is not happening in just the one man called Jesus Christ. We honor Jesus as the first to produce that seed at the cellular level, hence the human resurrection.

The whole idea of a physical and biological resurrection is the fact that Jesus brought forth a biology at the frequency of his own spirit. So the body part of him could say, just as much as the spirit part of him, “I AM, touch me. I am no longer hidden inside this body that is the product of many earthly seeds; I am the product of one seed.”

excerpt of "The Seed was First in A Woman" by David Hulse


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Unless our biology is made equal to the frequency of our spirit it will not be able to hold the greater glory or to put it bluntly, we will die in our immaturity....the seed not having made it to full bloom.

"These all died, controlled and sustained by their faith, but not having received the tangible fulfillment of [God's] promises, only having seen it and greeted it from a great distance by faith, and all the while acknowledging and confessing that they were strangers and temporary residents and exiles upon the earth. And all of these, though they won divine approval by [means of] their faith, did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised,
Because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for us, so that they should not come to perfection (maturity) apart from us, [that is before we could join them].

Unless our earth or our flesh is now made word as we once were the word made flesh, it will not be able to reveal the greater glory.

"The whole creation groans and travails for the manifestation of the sons of God". Now bring that passage in the house, and it can be seen as the creation man, my flesh, groans to be delivered from its denseness and limitation into the glorious liberty of the son of god that my spirit man is...a joint heir with Christ...an equal heir with Christ.

Some more of my ponderings as we become the first collective Noel....That Holy Thing

Karen

Going In To Come Out!

I always loved the teachings about the tabernacle and the different realms they defined for us at many levels in fact, so these truths have been delicious to feast upon.

As we know the OT is the shadow of things to come or it is a reflection of the New, so when we look into that mirror things are turned around from their true perspective. My right ear, for instance, appears to be my left when I look into a mirror. The journey into the Shekinah Presence in the OT started on the outside and progressed inward toward the Holy of Holies.

But the New tells us to "work OUT our salvation". I hear a truth in that beyond its face value. We have never been outside of God or in the outer court except in consciousness or what we call the fall of Adam or Adam's dream. And we have experienced it all, the good, the bad and the ugly.

"But you that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled." Col. 1:21

We have thoroughly explored this dream or more likely, this nightmare in an unconscious state. And when I say an unconscious state, I mean we were the Christ asleep in the ship as the story relates. The disciples, those 12 attributes called love, faith, and strength, etc. awakened the sleeping Christ and he spoke peace to the winds and waves of our storm tossed minds. We were then awake To the Dream. We regained our identity as a Son or expression of the Father. Those dreamers who wake up inside their own dreams and realize they are dreaming or making up all the scenarios are called lucid dreamers. They then can redirect this dream from being a nightmare to splenderous glory.

Jesus was the first fruits of this resurrection and we have been his many membered ONE who is awakening or resurrecting fully In The Dream.

The OT tabernacle divisions might also be compared to our sleep patterns and show how when we wake up we ascend up out of deep sleep through the different stages: Delta, deepest sleep; on up to Theta, then Alpha which is just below full wakefulness, and then Beta the fully awake state.....ie.,
1.outside the Outer Court,
2.the Outer Court,
3.the Holy Place and
4.The Most Holy Place.
Spiritually that finds us in the Holy of Holies.

But we are to "Work Out" this salvation. Work it from the Inside, Out! Spirit, soul and body. This Glorious One is coming FROM the Holy of Holies to the uttermost parts of the Earth!! Until every man knows this Glory from the least to the greatest.

God help us get in the Holy of Holies fully and consciously but Oh, God, this Womb of the Morning, this Most Holy Pregnant Place, is going to burst forth with a fully formed Glorious ManChild with eyes that flame with the fire of Divine Love mesmerizing all who whose gaze it falls upon and His melodious many faceted voice will sing a love song and make a vibration that all hearts will be compelled to entrain with.

Were going IN to Come Out!!

Glorious glory,
Karen

Don't Touch Me

These were the words that Mary heard from the risen Christ. What was their significance do you think?

Mary was looking for Jesus the man she had known and loved prior to his resurrection. But Jesus could no longer be held in his earthly manifestation now because he knew that his mission was not complete. If he remained with them as the singular man Jesus, his ability to share this spirit that he had been anointed with -the anointing of the spirit without measure (John 3) would only be limited to wherever he bodily or physically could be. That's why he said "I am with you, but I shall be in you."

Jesus did not walk in glorified flesh when he walked here. He had emptied himself and stripped himself of his equality with God and was born a human being and after he appeared in human form he humbled himself even further and carried his obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross! He was powerless to do anything without the anointing. "God anointed Jesus who went about doing good." "I can of mine ownself do nothing."

He knew that he had to make his full change, in body as well as being anointed in spirit.

We know that Jesus asked to be restored to the glory that he had with the Father before the world was, so this also reveals that he was not walking in that full glory while in his human flesh.

Why did Jesus say in John 17?..."He lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, Father, the hour is come. Glorify and exalt and honor and magnify YOUR SON, so that YOUR SON may glorify and extol and magnify You."

Because THE SON now becomes a Father in his glorification! It is Jesus who fathers us. Remember Paul saying we have not many fathers?

"I have given to them the glory and honor which you have given Me, that they may be one even as we are one...and that You have loved them even as You have loved Me." He was sharing with us the same glory bestowed upon him by his father to show us how we are are equally loved by God as his One Son.

When Peter stood on the Day of Pentecost and told the crowd gathered in Jerusalem for that Jewish feast day, just exactly what was going on in this great outpouring that they were witnessing, he told them that this was the fulfillment of what Joel the prophet had been told. That God was going to pour out his spirit on all mankind. By what means did he tell them that this was going to happen??

He told them Jesus of Nazareth a Man who had been witnessed to as from God by the mighty works that he had performed, and it was this very Jesus they had crucified, but God had raised up out of death not permiting his soul to remain in Hades (which was the realm of departed spirits) NOR would he let this Holy One's flesh body see corruption or decay.

AND IT WAS THIS JESUS that God raised up and lifted high by his right hand and that HE HAD RECEIVED FROM THE FATHER THE PROMISED BLESSING WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT,

AND.....HE HAS MADE THIS OUTPOURING WHICH YOU SEE AND HEAR!!!

IT WAS JESUS THAT BAPTIZED THEM THEN AND IT IS STILL JESUS THAT BAPTIZES US NOW. It is the Jesus that has been made Christ and Lord that has this ability. That is why Jesus would not let Mary touch or hold him in this realm. He had a greater work to perform for us and in us....becoming not only the Author or initiator of our faith, but from this expanded and exalted place would now be able to actually live in us as the resurrected Christ spirit, finishing or bringing to maturity or perfection our faith.

And let the whole house of Israel know - isn't that who we are, the spiritual house of Israel?

Well, let them all know and recognize beyond ALL DOUBT and know assuredly that

GOD HAS MADE HIM BOTH LORD AND CHRIST (this is the King/Priest ministry or the Melchizedek Prieshood order for it is the power of an endless life that qualifies this priesthood)

THIS JESUS WHOM YOU HAVE CRUCIFIED.

You don't have Christ apart from Jesus. And you don't have the completed Christ Body without each of us as members of that Body. For Christ is many yet ONE!

Grace and Glory to all,
Karen

Treasures New and Treasures Old

Matt. 13: 52
“He said to them, Therefore every teacher and interpreter of the Sacred Writings who has been instructed and trained for the kingdom of heaven and become a disciple, is like a householder who brings forth out of his storehouse treasure that is new and [treasure that is] old – the fresh [as well as] the familiar.”

I love sharing some of the newer more present understandings of truth that is coming out today, at least the little that I do grasp some of them - Things about the DNA, quantum science’s teaching of the implicate and the explicate orders of things, how all things are really energy that vibrates at different frequencies holding them in certain patterns and how energy speeded up becomes Light and slowed down takes on matter or visibility. I hear spirit in all of this. And I feel that if Jesus the man had appeared in this day instead of 2000 years ago, he may have taught more from this perspective or present truth scenario than in just stories about seeds and harvests and the parables or veiled truth that he used then. But he did promise that the time would come that he would no longer speak in figures of speech such as this, but would tell us plainly of the Father without using veiled stories. John 16

But That Jesus IS here! We are the harvest of the singular seed Jesus that was planted in the earth, our earth. Isaiah said “he was cut off out of the land of the living and who would declare his generation”. Well, we are his generation, his spiritual offspring that would prolong his days and that the will and pleasure of the Lord would prosper in His hand. That would be Us. We are his hands, his feet, and His Body. And “he would see the travail of his soul and be most satisfied…by his knowledge of himself, [knowing who you are in God] shall My righteous One, My Servant justify and make many righteous” [bring many sons to glory]

But most of the Christian world is still locked into the letter of the word. So in order to be one of those disciples who are instructed and trained for the kingdom of heaven, you have to know how to bring old treasure forth, too, but in a treasureingly new way. We take the same stories and parables that are told in the bible, in other words, old treasure, and with the enlightening of the Holy Spirit share with them, if we are so privileged to do so, how the spirit can make those same scriptures to be life instead of an interpretation of death and condemnation. They have a reference point and an ability to at least make an association with the story or passage you may be referring to because of their familiarity with scripture.

But I find with the world, they could care less about your bible story revelations. They have no reference point in them to associate with. At the most some of them may be familiar with the story that there was some guy named Noah that went through a flood with a boat full of animals. Or that there was a little baby born in a manager long ago and grew up to be a really good man. And to remember this event we celebrate Christmas and all give each other gifts.

The world will not understand or “get” our bible preaching maybe, but they will “get” or understand unconditional love. For all the law and the prophets are taught in that one truth….Love.

So, we have to be those ministering angels or messengers of God that can ascend or descend the ladder of Truth bring forth treasure both new and old…..or so my inward truth teller says.

Blessings to all

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Here is a reply made to this post from elsewhere and our comments added:

"Hello,

You wrote a nice post, thanks. You also wrote...

"I love sharing some of the newer more present understandings of truth that is coming out today, at least the little that I do grasp some of them - Things about the DNA, quantum science’s teaching of the implicate and the explicate orders of things, how all things are really energy that vibrates at different frequencies holding them in certain patterns and how energy speeded up becomes Light and slowed down takes on matter or visibility. I hear spirit in all of this. And I feel that if Jesus the man had appeared in this day instead of 2000 years ago, he may have taught more from this perspective or present truth scenario than in just stories about seeds and harvests and the parables or veiled truth that he used then. But he did promise that the time would come that he would no longer speak in figures of speech such as this, but would tell us plainly of the Father without using veiled stories. John 16 "

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Reply:
Yes He would and He is. That is what he meant when he said that he had many things to tell the disciples but they could not hear them at that time. That is why the "day" or time of "revelation" had to wait.

God is giving the information you speak about above, through the beast, meaning the christian-professing but not necessarily christian-actings, kingdoms of men today. The purpose is to destroy the "babylon" man has been under in his understanding and beleif of myths and fables as if they were the truth of God.

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

This is a spiritual fire, when accomplished by God in the minds and spirit of men.
God bless" end quote

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My reply to them:

Well, thank you for your reply as well.

I loved the scripture you shared from Rev. I wouldn't have seen that in that light without your pointing it out.

Sorta made me think of the scripture, if I am remembering this one correctly, that says "the children of this world are often wiser than the children of light."

Perhaps truth comes just like that passage says, "as the thief in the night," and could mean that these greater defining truths are breaking forth in the midst of man's darkness and praise God, will steal his immaturity of understanding away.

Love and communion,
Karen

The One Son or the sons of the ONE

"For the law of the Spirit of Life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and death.

So then, brethren, we ARE debtors, but not to the flesh – we are not obligated to our carnal nature – to live [a life ruled by the standards set up by the dictates] of the flesh.

For if you live according to [the dictates of] the flesh you will surely die. But if through the power of the Spirit YOU are habitually putting to death – making extinct, deadening – the evil deeds prompted by the body, you shall (really and genuinely) live forever.

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.

And if we are [His] children, then we are [His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ – sharing His inheritance with Him; only we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.

[But what of that?] For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth being compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us and in us and for us and conferred on us!

For (even the whole) creation (all nature) waits expectantly and longs earnestly for God’s sons to be made known – waits for the revealing, the disclosing of their sonship.

For the creation (nature) was subjected to frailty – to futility, condemned to frustration – not because of some intentional fault on its part, but by the will of Him Who so subjected it [Yet] with the hope

That nature (creation) itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and corruption [and gain an entrance] into the glorious freedom of God’s children.

We know that the whole creation (of irrational creatures) has been moaning together in the pains of labor until now.

And not only the creation, but we ourselves too, who have and enjoy the firstfruits of the (Holy) Spirit – a foretaste of the blissful things to come – groan inwardly as we wait for the redemption of our bodies [from sensuality and the grave which will reveal] our adoption (our manifestation as God’s sons.)

FOR IN [THIS] HOPE WE WERE SAVED!!!" Rom. 8

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The majority of the church is looking for the one Son, Jesus to return.

Yes, all creation has an expectation of something greater. And the word expectation carries a stronger meaning that just a hope. It's true, a woman may hope to have a baby some day, but when she gets pregnant she has more than just a hope. When a woman is pregnant she doesn’t just hope she is having a baby, she is fully expecting to! We are pregnant with more than just a hope, we have an expectation of the fully formed Christ that we are impregnated with to make an appearance into this world in power and great glory.

There is a groaning in all as in birth pangs for something greater to be birthed than what they have thus far experienced in this world of war, and turmoil. The minds of many think that what they are looking for is for the one Son Jesus to return, but the spirit groanings in them are looking for the Son to be revealed, or unveiled in us his sons! Their spirit is looking to us! They are longing earnestly, and waiting expectantly in pain for this disclosure.

They are waiting for us to reach our place that God has ordained for us and to fulfill our purpose as a firstfruits model for them, just as Jesus was our firstfruits model. They are waiting for us to bring forth this manifestation so God can go on with his program so that the rest of the ages can come in.

All the ends of the ages are upon US as a responsibility. They are waiting upon us! For in the unveiling they will see Him and in seeing Him they will see themselves, perhaps for the first time.

Sometimes for us to get in touch with what is within us we have had to catch a glimpse of it outside of ourselves first. That is what Jesus did for us. For in beholding him, we saw our true self. It puts us back in touch with our true self.

People go to pastors, teachers, rabbis and psychologists for counceling all the time, because they are trying, because of some need in them, to find some kind of help to put them in touch with what is happening within them. Or at least, if any of these couselors are worth their salt that is what they should be doing....helping people find their own point or center of power.

And this manifestation is greater than anything that was ever in the Garden, that first man made of dust.

This second Man the Lord from heaven, is a life-giving spirit Man.

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Here is a little illusration of what I am trying to say about catching a glimpse of yourself, outside of yourself that helps remind you of who you could be.

Have you ever been in the presence of someone who so exuded the life and love of God, that it made you want to know about that kind of love and it made you want to find that in yourself?

This is such a simple childish illustration, but it is one that has remained with me all my life. When I was in grade school when the bell rang for recess, certain of us would rush out to get on this one particular piece of playground equipment that everyone preferred. We would all try to grab onto it and there were only so many positions available. Well, I succeeded in securing mine and all the positions were filled but there still were others standing there that were left out and disappointed. And this girl named Carla turned to another standing by and left out and said, "Here you can have my place". Now I was supposed to be this little Christian girl that knew the Lord, but Carla demonstrated real love and I only professed it. Carla always had a very kind and loving nature and her love convicted my heart, but it also made me want to know how to find that in myself.

Blessings,
Karen

God Is Looking for Gold not Glam

I have heard it said that when Mercedes Benz makes a car, before putting it on the road for use, they put it through various types of tests to make sure it will perform well.

Job said, "When I am tried I will come forth as pure gold." God wants Gold, not glam.

Something beautiful, yes, but what is crafted for the long haul and can stay the course, not just adorned or gifted with a few flesh pleasing extras.

"I counsel you to purchase (it will cost you something) from Me gold refined and tested by fire, that you may be [truly] wealthy.." Rev. 3:18

It will cost us all that we are for all that he is.

"What is to give light must endure burning."

The Giver and the Taker

There is a thought that our Bro. Keny shares that I really see truth in and I wanted to make a further comment on it here. And that is on the verse:

"The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world."

Stepping into the light of our brother and looking through his eyes, I can see how sin can be defined as immaturity.

I'm sure most all of us know that the word sin, carries the actual meaning of 'missing the mark' as when an arrow is shot. It falls short of the intended target. So, it is falling short of its glory, the bullseye. So, we could say that it is too short, or immature.

He has also pointed out that forgiveness of sins is not the same as removal of sins and the spirit quickened to my mind this illustration:

My son as a 10 year old can be forgiven his immaturity, but I can't remove that immaturity from him, only he can do that by growing up.

I gave him my life, but he gives that life a living in himself. So the life I gave him lives now as him. This is what I hear in our brother's sharing with us along these lines of how our Father breathed into man and man became a living soul, but our Father's destiny for his creation was to be a life-giving spirit.

So there is a giver and a taker. The giver of Life is our Creator, and the taker, the under-taker [just a play on words :)] is the receiver of that Life that takes it and grows it up into the full stature of his Father able then to himself father children.

What takes away the sin (immaturity) of the world? The son who grows up. The immaturity is swallowed up of Life and takes it away in actuality.

The Promise becomes the Provision.

Just a few thoughts,
Karen

The Latter RAIN, the Latter REIGN & the Latter REIN

Everywhere you look, you can see:

Jesus ---Christ----Lord

1. For from him
2. and through him
3. and to him
are all things.

1. For all things orginate with him and come from him
2. all things live through him
3. all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in him. Rom. 11

The RAIN,
The REIGN &
The REIN

Exactly 58 years ago this month, there was a visitation of God that swept through the Christian world. It was not given to or understood by the unenlightend world but was to restore and begin to realign the Body of Christ with the purposes of God for this time.

The church had gone into the dark ages in the years before, and had for some time had a remnant coming back into their God-given inheritance. The Holy Spirit baptism was restored and poured out afresh in the Azusa St. meetings earlier in the century (1900's), but God had more to reveal and restore of Himself to the church. And I would dare to say without reservation that just such a truth is real for today.

My Mother came to God and was filled with the spirit with the gifts working in her during that great outpouring. I was there in the midst of all of it as a child, but my spirit man was not dwarfed as my body was at that time. It received and understood fully that the rain of that time was only the seed beginning of the great storm that would envelope the church first, and world at large, in such a deluge that there would never be "dry land" again.

And God said, Let there be a firmament [the expanse of the sky] in the midst of the waters; and let it separate the waters below from the waters above.

And God called the firmament Heavens. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be collected into one place, and let the dry land appear. And it was done."
And God called the dry land Earth.." Gen. 1

The first man was created out of "dry land" ie. dust.

"The first man was from out of earth, made of dust - earth minded.

And just as we have borne the image of the [man] of dust, so shall we and so let us also bear the image of the [Man] of heaven." 1 Cor. 15

The Man of heaven is the "Rain" of God, the waters above. The glory of God that shall cover the earth as the[earthly waters] waters cover the seas.

Just as the earthly understanding covers the "seas" [all the peoples and nations] the "Rain" of God shall cover the earth [the man of dust] making him a well watered garden of God which brings forth much fruit.

The following is a report of the beginnings of the latter rain outpouring of God:

"Latter Rain Outpouring

“I have heard it explained like this, the latter rain, the latter reign and the latter rein; first the spiritual outpouring, then the spirit and Bride says come in power and authority and then the ingathering.”

I now quote from a report written by one of the ministries who was a student and who was present at the time the revival broke. "For many years great numbers of consecrated Christians had been fasting and praying for long seasons that God would restore the gifts of the Spirit to the Church. In 1947 in the month of September several of the brethren were led of the Lord to open Sharon Bible College in North Battleford, Canada. The opening of the school brought a great burden for fasting and prayer upon all of the students and the staff. This settled down until it seemed that not a day passed by for months unless some were in fasting and prayer. Some fasted for three days; some for seven; some fasted for ten days; some for two weeks; some for three weeks; some for thirty days; and one man fasted for forty days. After many weeks of serious fasting and prayer, came the eleventh day of February, 1948. I shall never forget those days as long as I live. How the Spirit of the Lord came down was indescribable!

"I remember a prophecy being given by one of the young women in the Bible School, saying that we were on the verge of a great Move of God, and that all we had to do was enter the door - but I said, 'Father, we do not know where the door is, neither do we know how to enter it.' It was on the twelfth day of February that God showed us by the Spirit how to enter in through this door. On that morning one of the teachers rose to prophesy. All of the students were kneeling. He prophesied by the Spirit of God for about half an hour. During the prophecy, He called the whole school to great reverence and said that we must walk in the fear of God. Then there was a warning that we should not mention to anyone what was transpiring at the school. As the prophecy went on, these earth-shaking words were given by the Spirit of God: "Remove the shoes from off thy feet for the ground upon which thou standeth is holy ground..at this time I will restore unto my church all nine gifts of the spirit, and they shall be given by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the prebytery." This we knew was according to the Word of God, but we had not been able to understand it until the moment when it was revealed by the Spirit of God. The prophecy went on to say, 'I will indicate from time to time by My Spirit they that should be called to be prayed over to receive their gifts of the Spirit.'

"The next day, February 13, we searched the Word of God practically all day to see if these things that had been prophesied were according to God's Word. We found that Paul had said to Timothy, 'Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery...' (Tim. 4:14). And, 'Stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the laying on of my hands' (II Tim. 1:6). We found how that king Saul had received the gift of prophecy by having this gift prophesied to him by Samuel. We saw how Joshua had received the Word of Wisdom when Moses laid his hands upon him. We read how Paul wrote to the Romans, 'For I long to see you that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift...' (Rom. 1:11).

"On the fourteenth day of February - I can never begin to properly describe the things that happened on that day. It seemed that all Heaven broke loose upon our souls and Heaven came down to greet us. The power and glory of God was indescribable. Men and women were prophesied over and received the various gifts of the Spirit. To some it was prophesied that they would receive the gift of healing and immediately they began to heal the sick. Discernment of spirits was given and the influence of evil spirits was discerned, and these evil spirits were cast out. Some received the gift of faith, and faith began to operate mightily in our midst. Men and women prophesied like a mighty river. Heaven had truly come down to meet us. We sang new songs in the Spirit, songs that had never been sung before. Soon the multitudes were coming to North Battleford from the north, the south, east, and west. A new day arrived for the people of God. This was only the beginning!

"Soon the Lord restored unto us the ministries of apostles and prophets. All traditions and man-made divisions (denominations) were left behind. The elect remnant of God from the four winds were beginning to come together, destined to go on to perfection, ultimately to be filled with all the fullness of God and finally to stand in the last day as manifested sons of God, prepared to rule and reign in His glorious Kingdom. From now on we would be known only as 'Christians.' The last day 'Move of God,' the restoration spoken of by all the holy apostles, had begun. Its power and influence would grow until one day it would fill the whole earth. God would require of us a level of consecration and dedication never before dreamed of. We ceased to build our own little man-made kingdoms and began together to build the Kingdom of God. That was how it all began. There was much more that we would yet learn over the years" -end quote.

The effect of the move of God that began in Canada in 1948 soon spread around the whole world, and there are few places that have not felt its power in one way or another. It swept across North America, and over the continent of Europe; and also through Latin America, far away India, New Zealand, Australia, Korea and portions of Africa. God has done a great and mighty thing, but this is only the beginning. A mighty army of saints is in preparation as overcomers to take the Kingdom and rule and reign with Christ over the nations. Events of immense magnitude and universal significance loom bright upon the horizon!

Every revival, or time of refreshing from the presence of the Lord began with a visitation from God expressed in a firstfruit people who tapped a high vibration of praise and worship. In 1949 in Tulsa, Oklahoma a minister had purchased a large tabernacle down town and preached every night for months to two or three women. One night before service, he sat in his office with his head in his hands, discouraged, not knowing what to do. Someone came running in shouting, "You won't believe this!" He arose and walked to the auditorium and saw the place was packed. A little woman far in the back began to prophesy through song, "This is the latter rain the Lord has promised unto thee." From that a worship broke forth in the people and for eight months, night and day, God appeared in one of the greatest visitations since the day of Pentecost. The newspaper reported that one night a neighbor sitting on his front porch looked over and saw fire on top of the building. He called the fire wagons, but there was no natural fire to be found. Something sat on that building as cloven tongues of fire and that is how the latter rain began in that city.

In those glory days at the beginning of the latter rain cloudburst, as the saints were gathered together by the Spirit and in the power of God, the entire gathering, whether ten or ten thousand in number, would all break forth into spiritual songs and psalms and hymns, and would all sing the same song BY THAT SAME SPIRIT. One brother related the example of a large congregation singing Handel's Messiah, from beginning to end, singing every word and every note in divine harmony, under the anointing of the Spirit, although no one in the congregation knew Handel's Messiah. The Lord also revealed that as He was able to teach a gathering of believers to sing the Messiah, repeating every word and note in correct harmony, SO IS HE ABLE TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE TRUTH AND A PROPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM. And when the Holy Spirit imparts truth to His people, that truth becomes LIFE which can never be taken away from them. Glory!

The Word of God is very clear in its teaching, and both Old Testament and New Testament history confirm the fact that all the great revivals and movings and manifestations of the Lord through past centuries were the result of prevailing prayer and intercession and fasting."

From God All in One to God All in all

From God All in One to God All in all

- God All In One.....all in Himself, Self contained - pre-creation

- God In All.....creation….the Word, Christ the Life being the Light IN all.

- God All In All......God, everything in everyone... “For Christ must be King and reign UNTIL He has put all enemies under His feet….However, WHEN EVERYTHING is subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also subject Himself to the Father Who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all – that is, be everything to everyone, supreme, the indwelling and controlling factor of life.”

Christ IN YOU is the hope of Glory

But

Christ AS YOU is the Glory

God is going to have a people, a creation that does not just function under imputed righteousness…having someone else do it for you which is the only message that the church has been taught up until this time, because they did not know that they were to grow in their understanding and experience to stand as the collective Jesus Christ the Lord themselves in this earth with every power and ability of their Father.

Sitting at the last supper just prior to his crucifixion and resurrection Jesus said to the disciples after Judas had departed (something significant in that, but we'll get sidetracked if we go into that) Jesus said:

"Now is the Son of Man glorified! - Now He has ACHIEVED His glory, His honor, His exaltation; and God has been glorified through and IN Him.

And if God is glorified through and IN Him, God will also glorify Him (Jesus the Son) at once and not delay. John 17

Do you see the difference here where God is glorified IN the Son

And

Where the Son is to be glorified AS God?

The glorification of God, not just in us but as us is when

GOD IS THE ALL in all…..everything in everyone…when .everything that God is has free reign in a people to be expressed fully.


This is when you no longer have to say, I am not this body....don't look at me, for there will be nothing about you that ever demonstrates any thing less than the perfection of God.

Jesus went on to say in John 17:

"I do not ask that you will take them out of the world, but that you will keep and protect them from the evil.

They are not of the world (worldly) just as I am not of the world.

SANCTIFY THEM - PURIFY, CONSECRATE, SEPARATE THEM for Yourself,

MAKE THEM HOLY - BY THE TRUTH. Your Word is Truth.”

And Jesus defined just what our glorification is:

"All mine are Yours, and all that are Yours belong to Me; and I am glorified in (through) them - they have done Me honor, in them My glory is achieved.

Jesus comes into the fullness of his glory through us!

The progression is spelled out quite simply in Romans 8:

“For I consider that the sufferings of this present time (this present life) are not worth being compared with the glory that is about to be revealed

TO US
And
IN US
And
FOR US
And conferred
ON US!”

To us- this is the ability to see in the spirit – you first see the glory by revelation truth.

In us – this glory Word working mightily in us

For us – the glory is for us…”If God be ‘for’ us who can be against us?”

On us – not just in us, but on us…from inner to outer making us As Him completely.

Praise God for the real Good News Gospel and such great Love usward! \o/

How, Now ??

I just wanted to share some thoughts on the “how” versus the “what”.

We have had the “what” down pretty good. In other words, we have had our revelations and catching up experiences in God and have seen “the what” of our inheritance in Christ. This is our mountain top experiences in the spirit. The visions, the dreams, the glories, the ecstasy, the joy, the peace…..the heavens, in other words.

But it is not in the heavens that you learn “the how” of our walk in God. It is in the valley where you learn how to dress yourself in your heavens.

It is when the police come knocking on your door to tell you that your only daughter and grandchild have just been killed in a car crash. This scenario just happened here a couple of weeks ago to friends of our family here. They buried this young mother with her baby in her arms.

How do you take your great revelations of the spirit and bring it into this experience?

When your only daughter comes to you to tell you that she is a lesbian and goes on to live the gay lifestyle and your hopes and dreams for her and for her ever producing some lovely grandchildren for you to love are dashed  Are you able to now take your mountain top glory and translate it into unconditional love losing all your judgment for her and all others of like mind?

When you are the single mother of three young children trying to survive after your husband runs off with someone else leaving you alone with all the responsibility and you find you have more month left than money and you can either feed your kids or else pay the electric bill and you opt for feeding the little ones and your electric is turned off. Do you light a few candles, keep the faith and keep moving on?

When your child is taken with a terminal disease and you ask everyone to pray with you for their healing but they are not raised up but you see others who are experiencing miracles for their family members, how do you bring the glory of your catching up experience into this loss without becoming bitter or disappointed in God or life?

When you and your mate are in the throes of a heated disagreement about something, and you are not exactly jumping up and down and shouting ‘glory’ and speaking in tongues, but perhaps you feel like jumping up and down and shouting something else all together , are you able to remember who you really are in Christ and be exercised by that knowledge instead of being knocked out consciously in the moment?

There are a hundred more illustrations that could be drawn by any one of us to define some of these experiences and I know there are many who have already passed through many of these life experiences, so this is not about suggesting that this is not already accomplished in some but to make a point.

This is where the fishes, the birds and the beasts of our earth are tamed or subdued that the Genesis 1 mandate gives us.

This is where we are given the privilege of bringing heaven into earth – our individual world or earth first of all, which actually also makes a deposit of life into the collective consciousness of the all.

This to me is what Jesus meant when he said, “He that overcomes, I will grant to sit beside me on my throne, as I Myself overcame and sat down beside My Father on His throne.” Rev.3

Even Paul tried to get this point across to all – that even with all the revelations and catching up into the 3rd heaven that he had experienced he still had to deal with what it meant to fight the beasts at Ephesus, to be stoned and left for dead, beaten and thrown in prison, rejected and thought the refuse of the earth and to still learn how to be an overcomer and content in God in all these things.

God doesn’t take you over when you are going through these things and force himself upon you – but you with the tools of his glory that you have been given have to build a house for God to dwell in here. When we were a child, we might have gotten everything done for us, but as full grown god men we have to learn to actualize our truth.

This to me is the “how” of the “what”.

This is also what I believe some are trying to share with us about being mature in our walk not just in our revelations. We actually become it, we don’t just ‘have’ it. We are Joy, we are Peace, we are Longsuffering, we are Gentleness, we are Kindness. And this earthly valley is our dressing room for putting on these lovely garments.

And with these gloriously outfitted Lovers, God wills to mirror to creation their own beauty when they behold themselves in us.

Well, I guess I will have to say that I desire to be a “howsie” not just a “nowsie”…

Heart to heart,
Karen

God, Which God??

I think that it is going to be a hard one for some of us to let go of the concept that God does evil.

It reminds us how some of us that came through the denominations were as spirit began readjusting our understandings in things like eternal torment, the rapture, God saves all, what the devil really is.

The old prevailing thought used to be if anything was awry, it was said, "the devil made me do it." Slewfoot got blamed for it all. But now a switch has happened, instead of saying the "devil made me do it.", it is "God made me do it."

It will really just prove to be another lateral move, not a vertical one if we don't stay open. Its really just saying, "I used to be on this end of the spectrum but have now just slid over here."

Now I know what thought surfaces as I share this and that is that "I don't see good or evil, I just see God."

But I wonder who it is that is the "God of this world", that the bible speaks of? Is it the Source out of whom we came? Or another Father, another God?

Here is a teaching by Jesus that I believe helps to clear up this issue:

I have been taught that one meaning of the word “Father” means “starter”, for we know that the seed of the male when deposited in the female starts or initiates life. So let me quote from a few scriptures that Jesus said to the Jews.

John 8: 38 – I tell you the things which I have seen and learned at My Father’s side, and your actions also reflect what you have heard and learned from your father.

41 –You do the works of your father. They said to Him, We are not illegitimate children and born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 – Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, and respect Me and welcome Me gladly, for I proceeded (came forth) from God – out of His very presence. I did not even come on My own authority or of My own accord ( self appointed), but He sent Me.

44 – You are of your father the devil; and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires ( which are characteristic) of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him; for he is a liar and the father of lies and of all that is false.

So just what is it that Jesus is saying that fathers evil? What God or Father is he speaking of?

I think many fail to see the creative power that was invested in us as his creation. We have been creating all along. God took out of himself the image and likeness of himself. And these selves of him, called the Elohim in turn created an image and likeness of themselves, called man. And man, in his lowered and slowered condition, has in turn created an image and likeness of himself, called the ego.....who sits in the temple calling himself God.

Someone has put it very well I think when they said, "God created us in his image and we tried to return the complement." We in turn created God in our image. Man in his lowered condition could only create God as he knew himself to be. That is why man sees man doing evil and can call it God.

Now is God ultimately responsible for this? Yes, in the sense that the worlds were 'framed' by him. Anything that has a frame around it, has a boundary, or fence containing the contents. God knew that nothing could 'fall' outside of this boundary of true spirit that framed man.

God our Father and Source, knew when he turned the parts of himself loose to go into a far country that they would be trying out their creative skills as adolesent gods, not fully grown up into the image of their True Father. Now as the spirit of our Father, we never really left home, for spirit is omnipresent, everywhere. But as the soul of God we did.

God wanted to experience his creation. And he wanted to create a vessel that would be experientially mature not just be innocent virgins in the sense that we had never actually intersected with matter. Our experience with matter had to be complete...we had to marry, or really know intimately what it means to be human.

After awakening or having our old man crucified, or having the sense that we are only human and not spirit, these vessels could now be The New Creation Man that God was after all along when he started this whole process.

The New Creation Man, the union of heaven and earth as One.

Now this comes through the filter called Karen, born of her own growing pains, so you will have to in turn filter it through your own vessel if any of this resonates as truth in you.

Either yea or nay, all my love,
Karen

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(the following comments are to a responder to the above post)

Moving in, in Consciousness First
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Unless you see a thing already done, it will never get started.” Where this fits in, I don’t know, but again , they are His words. Maybe someone will know the meaning.
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Well Fran, I wouldn't claim to know 'the' meaning but I do know 'a' meaning.

And for illustration I will use my move here to Ohio. Once the decision was made that we wanted to move here, I began to look for houses online and found one I liked just a mile down the road from our son's. I asked my son, who is in the construction business, to go check it out for us and see if it looked like something that we would like and was liveable to us. He did this for us and gave us a good report about it. But the lady who was selling it wanted far more than we could afford and had it on the market for about a year and would not come down in her price prior to this.

But I began *to move* into this house and into Ohio in consciousness before we sold our house in NJ or even had it on the market yet. The spirit had told me some years before that I was going to move and it would be in such a way that everyone would know that it had been God.

We contacted the realtor out here who lined up some other houses for us to check out and was also going to show us the present house that we are in. I felt strongly that this was the house that was ours, even before I had literally seen it. We made a trip out here and my husband made a signed offer on it well below what the asking price was. And lo, and behold, the lady accepted it that day and threw in an additional carpet allowance for all new carpet as well, as she had ripped up all the old.

The realtor was stunned, for he had spent a year trying to sell this house and trying to talk this lady in coming down in her price to move it.

We put our house up on the market in NJ and it was sold the first day it was shown. We had so many people wanting it that they were bidding against one another to get and and because my husband is a very fair man, he wouldn't ask an exorbitant price for it, but these people bid it up over our asking price and we finally settled on one of the parties that offered us cash for our house. How many people do you know that can pay close to $200,000 cash for a house? All this happened so fast it was hard to keep up with all of it.

Well I shared that as a witness to what you said here, Fran. And I know that this is a just a natural thing, but the same principle applies to anything, me thinks.

I believe this happens to people, too, who are close to dying. They begin to cross over in consciousness before their spirit leaves for good. They begin to see those from the other side and hear celestial singing and have conversations with people that no one else can see. They are already moving in to their new reality.

For those that received healing in the bible it says that Jesus sent his word and healed them. The word always becomes flesh. I see this as the Logos word as the well out of which a Rhema word is drawn and fleshed out as manifestation.

The Logos as the said word of God
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The Rhema as the saying word of God...right now presence tense declaration that unfolds itself.

"Calling those things that are not as though they are".

Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world, but it wasn't played out in this realm until he came. It "was testified of in due time" here.

I like the way the Amplified bible translates the familiar passage that we all know. It says "that whatever you loose on earth must be what is already loosed in heaven and whatever you bind on earth must be what is already bound in heaven." All reality first flows out of our Source Reality, spirit. But I know you all know that.

Perhaps I'll touch on The New Creation Man in another post, Fran. We'll see. I'm sure others have some thoughts to share on it.

Love and communion with all,
Karen