Complete In Him/Him Complete in Us

Complete in Him/Him Complete in Us
And No Bloodshed

To all: The oldest ploy known to religion is to call your brother a devil when he does not bow to your understanding. It is exactly what they did to Jesus. I can't understand how one can feel that is the mark of one who is "finished', or fulfills the word, "Know no man after the flesh."

Growing up in God is like: quote"There is pain in the act of birth. It is like being a woman who wants to have a child, BUT DOESN'T WANT THE PREGNANCY, AND LABOR THAT COMES BETWEEN THE TWO! LOL! " unquote

Jesus showed us how it is done, but he did not do it for us. He can only do it AS US.

We are complete in him. Picture a circle and you a dot in the circle. That is you being complete in him. We are hidden in him - we are wearing Him as a garment. Most that see us as already completed, see only this part of the equation. And it is absolute truth, IN THE SPIRIT or heavens. But he is reconciling all things both in heaven and in earth. What is true in your heavens or true state of being has to be made real in your earth as well. The Most High God is Possessor of Heaven and Earth.

But the other part of the equation is: he has to be made complete in us too. Picture the circle again - your inner hidden man is him, and when he completely fills your every, thought, action and deed in your body, He is complete in you. He is now wearing You as a garment. That is why all the injunctions in the word, about growing up in Christ in all things, and putting on Christ, and love working no ill to his neighbor, etc.

If this was an instantaneous completion, then the day Christ arose, the whole world would have manifested God from that day forth, but we know that is not what happened. Are they complete in him? Yes, most assuredly. But is He complete in them or complete in all their thoughts, words, and deeds? Well the answer, is plain for all to see. No.

The world was not automatically made experientially alive in God just because Jesus finished his assignment here. And neither are we experientially made alive in every facet of our being, until you put Christ fully on.

The following is a reply made to the post above:

Hello Karen. Thank you for a good word and evidence of a good understanding. Jesus said that those who believe in Him will {eventually} do greater works that He did. Even if we see this as only being, more or further works beyond what He did, we can tell from His own statement that He was not going to finish all that was to be done.

The church has really misunderstood his words on the cross, "it is finished". What was finished was His "dying". What still remains to be executed properly "in the creation" is His LIVING Kingdom. Chirst's Life is never finished, it is eternally ongoing.

It is His body, who are as the head, that must bring in the accomplishment of the Kingdom of God on earth, and this cannot and will not happen until His body is obedient to God like Christ Jesus is, was in Israel, and showed us what to do.

To be Him, we have to be doing what He does, all the time. This is the full "marriage" or reconciliation to God, by being Jesus Christ. The actual real reconciliation is notjust an imputed righteousness. In the world, we impute inheritance to children but they do not really obtain it until THEY become an actual adult. So it is with us. We have to be filled with Christ's nature and wisdom in active representation.

In the flesh in the world, even when we are fully as Jesus Christ is, the carnal nature will be with us for the needs of the body, and "it" will be the Satan or, the serpent, that is under our feet. Romans 16:20 This serpent, the most subtle of and in all the beasts of the field, is put and kept under foot by the God of PEACE. Remain in the peace and love of God in all situations, forgiving all and the serpent will not be in control. His "venom", sin, will be neutralized.

I will say a bit more in the next message... about bloodshed. God bless, keny

No Bloodshed

["Growing up in God is like: "There is pain in the act of birth! It is like being a woman who wants to have a child, BUT DOESN'T WANT THE PREGNANCY, AND LABOR THAT COMES BETWEEN THE TWO! LOL! " Jesus showed us how it is done, but he did not do it for us. He can only do it AS US.>>> end quote/]

Since you used the example above I will enlarge on it. When Jesus completed his witness even during his crucifixion, the church believes that the animal sacrifices are to be no more. This is true because the animal sacrifices were never of God in the first place.

Hebrews tells us that the carnal commandments are what are done away with because they cannot make the doer of them perfect\mature. A very big open secret there to be seen for all of us, is the fact that what is included in the commandments that cannot make us mature as God is mature, is the doing of the curse. All BLOODSHED is to be ended by and in the heart of the believer.

This too is witnessed by pregnancy. When a woman in the natural becomes pregnant, and everything is going properly, her shedding of blood {menses} ceases. We know that very often one of the signs a woman first recieves as being a witness that she is pregnant is that her menses stops... the shedding of blood stops. This is what is to take place in our thoughts, our lifestyle, and our wisdom, IF we are really his mature {able to bear children} bride.

1 John tells us that ANY person that hates their brother is a murderer. That makes hate a shedder of blood. We can understand many other emotions, thoughts AND DOCTRINES by using this understanding for great edification, "if" we can receive it as it is meant to be seen. The "curse" or rather, the works of the curse, do works that shed blood when physically applied and they are done by MEN who are sinners stoning other sinners under the LAW OF MOSES.

The shedding of blood must be ended if we are truly only in Christ. The Spirit lusts against the flesh and the flesh lusts against the Spirit. By the flesh of course, I mean the law of sin IN the flesh. Gal. 5.

Thank you and God bless to all, keny