The Trumpeters

I actually love all the trumpeters that are sounding forth what is truth in them, but sometimes we are moved to share something from, perhaps, another angle that we feel is also important to see and I was moved to do just that concerning some things that our brother is saying (at another site) and I know what he is saying in some things is not at all popular with some of you that see it differently, but I felt that I wanted to comment on some of his teaching. I think they correlate some with what the following excerpt is saying by Joseph Benner that has been posted:

"The way out has been shown. But you must walk in it, no one can do it for you. You cannot be shoved, nor can you jump or slide into the Kingdom- you have to earn your right to enter, have to walk every step of the way there, no matter how difficult and steep grows the path. It is no journey to be taken by the halfhearted and weak-kneed.

If you are now convinced of the truth of what was shown, the next step then is to try to prove its truth, first by getting thoroughly acquainted with this Real-Self of you, by seeing Him as yourself, and by going about in His Consciousness. Practice this daily until you actually feel Him within, feel Him giving you of His power, of His vitalizing life and energy, and you thrill at the realizations of it"

To our fellow Trumpeter I want to offer a resounding THANK YOU to the words of wisdom that he is trying to share with the Body of Christ in this hour. I hear the heart and wisdom of a Father not just a hireling. I know it ruffles some of the swan’s feathers for some feel they are flying higher in vision and word than this brother. And I know they stand on the teahing “I and the Father are one”….but he also said, “Father MAKE them one even as we are one.”

What happens when people “see” a truth is the idea that they have become it in its fullness because they now see it. Well we were told of others that had been shown the land, their inheritance, as far as the eye could see and were told that it was theirs for the taking. Yes, the point is that is was there for the taking, when they actually put their feet in that land but not before, even though they could see it.

Our spiritual eye may see the finished work of God, but I promise you by his word, that it will not be truth in us, as us, until we walk the land of our inheritance by fully appropriating it.

“It is God that worketh in you both to will and to do his good pleasure.”

God invested himself in his son. His son is that aspect of himself which proceeded forth from his bosom made of the same creative God stuff…..this creative God stuff that our brother fondly references as the Life principle that lives in each man. The son has to learn how to take this God substance that is his true essence and create heaven in his earth and on this earth….Not just as an invisible spirit, but as a spirit word becoming flesh with a soul and a body filled with all the fullness of God.

We are bone of God’s bone and flesh of his flesh, and therefore also, A CREATOR. The invisible God is not here,[in visibility] we his creation are! What is created is what gives God a door or a portal with which to manifest his invisible traits. Just as Jesus made the invisible, visible, we are doing the same. If we blithely think that because we can “see” the finished work of Christ that that somehow excuses us from being the actual God in this nasty here and now that is to make “all things new” creating the heaven on earth that Jesus taught us to pray for, we are being sadly mistaken and caught in myopic tunnel vision from the greater picture and purpose of God for his creation. Why would Jesus teach us to pray, “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven”, if it was already done here? When the kingdom and rule of God manifests in every man’s conscious mind and life, then, and only then, is when death will be no more. For all will have been made alive in God, enlightened to their truth.

“God is Light and there is no darkness [ignorance or immaturity] in Him at all – no, not in any way”. 1 John“ So if we say we are partakers together and enjoy fellowship with Him when we live and move and are walking about in darkness,[immaturity or ignorance] we are [both] speaking falsely and do not live and practice the Truth. But if we [really] are living and walking in the Light as He [himself] is in the Light, we have [true, unbroken] fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses (removes) us from all sin and guilt. If we claim we have not sinned, we contradict His Word and make Him out to be false and a liar, and His word is not in us – the divine message of the Gospel is not in our hearts.”

It is very obvious that those who have sounded the trumpet of “all is well, and everything is finished”, feel because they can see this truth in the spirit, that they are trumpeting a much higher word than those who are moved to caution us as Jesus did :

“He who overcomes , I will grant him to sit beside Me on My throne, as I Myself overcame and sat down beside My Father on His throne.”

What do we think was important enough to Jesus that he would caution us about the necessity to actually overcome something? What was it that he needed to overcome? If he was the perfect God in flesh, what did God have to overcome? Or do you think that he was trying to tell us as a man, he had to put his Godhood on? Do we actually think that we have nothing to do in this plan of God? That we are not a planned partner chosen in him before the foundations of this world to bring this plan to fruition. The visible part of God.

And for those who think that God is just pretending creation or having the impossible dream, think again. They have allowed extraneous teachings to suggest that God has no purpose in his creation and haven’t yet seen as far as they think they have. But seeing is wonderful, in fact, absolutely necessary to be able to proceed in the things of God. And I think this is what some so desperately want our brother to understand….how important it is to see as God sees. For the word does not say, “I must decrease and then He will increase”. It, in fact says the opposite: “He must increase, I must decrease.”……. Because until the increase of God is shown to you, you are not able to walk into it or to appropriate it. The glory of seeing so outshines all the natural light that we may have, heretofore, been struggling in that it produces the will for us to now do as He does.

“For He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit.”

The spirit of your will becomes his will in your joining. It is the One Power now performing in only one way….the God way, instead of being double minded with your energy running in two different directions and causing us to be unstable in all our ways.“For God worketh in you both to will and to do.” And “the path of the just shineth brighter and brighter.” There is a progression in understanding.

It is not wisdom for any trumpeter to not realize the importance of all the members of the body that God has set in there for a reason….eyes are great for seeing but they can’t take the body anywhere without the feet for walking. So some of you are quite put out with this foot trumpeter that encourages God’s people to actually walk in what they are seeing. Maybe you didn’t even think that a foot could trumpet……

“How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him who publishes peace, who brings good tidings of good,…”.

I know so many of you want so badly for our brother to see what you are seeing and I do understand why. For in that eternal realm, the mind of God, it is already a done deal……but we musn’t think that what is true in the heavens is not to make an appearance in this earth. God wills it so.

So, does that mean that it doesn’t make any difference what is happening to creation here….they just think that they are suffering ….because many teach that God is all there is, some have mistakenly concluded that God must have made men cruel, and vicious and warlike with the resultant gross sufferings that accompany this mind set….or that it actually is God Himself being cruel, vicious and warlike.

Or could it be that God set these sons in the earth and said to them,

“Let us make man and let them {let Man} have complete authority…over all the earth….subdue it…and have dominion over every living creature…FILL the earth….RE-plenish it.”

God has invested himself in us as the creation to have dominion. We are the ones who are going to do this…..as God. Until all things are subdued:

"Dominion over the fish of the sea" - that is the subconscious realm….what lies beneath conscious knowing. This is where all the false programming resides and it is the “brightness of his appearing” that reveals and destroys it.

"Dominion over the birds of the air” – the conscious thought realm or what we consciously think about and invest our thoughts into.

Dominion over all the beasts” – what has not been “tamed” in our flesh to be an obedient servant of the Lord. [Jesus rode the ‘ass’ into Jerusalem.] God has need of your flesh when it is tamed.

"And dominion over all the earth" – dominion over everything in you, spirit, soul and body.

Then we were given patterns to how this was going to come about. Some people lived these patterns out in the literal for our benefit.

The OT priest had to be prepared to enter the Most Holy Place. He had to be anointed with oil, sprinkled with blood and washed with water and dressed in sacred garments, crowned with a miter, adorned with a breastplate of jewels to qualify to enter this Most Holy Place and if he did so unworthily, he wasn’t around to tell of it anymore, they pulled him out feet first. For no (natural) man can see God and live. Nothing that wasn’t of the same light and substance was going to be allowed to live in this Presence. This was not shown to us to create fear, but to show us the seriousness of our royal priesthood calling and the great privilege afforded us to be able to commune intimately with this great Love and Presence, not only for ourselves but taking all of creation in with us written upon our hearts as these first high priests did.

His procession started first at the outer court, the realm of natural light (only natural sunlight or natural reasoning)…then into the Holy Place where the only light was the candlestick with its nine embellishments, the Holy Ghost gift realm and the light that shown on the table of shewbread where we start partaking of the Bread of Life to grow up in God and from there on in to the Most Holy Place where the Shekinah Light of God was the only Light.

But could he do this without being prepared to do so? No. And neither can we.

And then there is our greatest of patterns, our High Priest, Jesus Christ, who himself being made perfect [mature] became the Pioneer of our salvation.

“And his completed experience making him perfect in equipment, He became the Author and Source of eternal salvation to all those who give heed and obey Him.” Heb. 5:9

Looks like he had to come to a completion in some things to make him to be perfectly equipped. Do we actually think that we are going to circumvent the pattern and come in some other way? That we don’t have to have a completed experience too? So is any of this said to discourage any of us in any way? No, let us rejoice that we are privileged to carry his name and nature and press into that great inheritance that we as his creation are seeing, letting Grace dress and outfit us royally in our glorious wedding attire. Let the seers see and let the walkers walk this body into all the fullness of God. For we are workers together in the grace of Life.

Another swan [trumpeter]
Grace and Glory to all,
Karen

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The following is a reply to a comment that was made to me after the above post that asked if all this teaching was doing was telling us to wait, always waiting instead of being.

Wait? I do not think that is the point that is being made at all. I think we are missing it because we think the invisible God is going to do this for us in spite of us when, in fact, we are told:

"By MAN came death, and even so by man comes resurrection from the dead."

I think maybe we are missing the point that God has invested all of himself in the Son. Jesus said, "All power has been given unto me both in heaven and in earth."We as the Son aspect of the invisible God is the one that is going to do this. We, more or less, say, "Don't look at me," when Jesus said the exact opposite, "When you have seen me, you have seen the Father."He was saying, in essence, "Look at me, everything about me is manifesting every quality of the invisible God or Source out of whom I came. I am manifesting God".

God doesn't by-pass us, he becomes us.....That is the whole point of creation, imo. This to me is what the spirit wants to get across to us in these teachings. It has nothing to do with waiting, but everything to do with putting on Christ after coming to the knowledge of our truth. That is what he set forth in the first chapter of Gen. 1.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them [let man] have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Why did God say that he gave man dominion over all things to subdue them. What needed subdued in this supposedly perfect [mature] creation? What was it that needed RE-plenished? When did it get de-plenished?...or unfinished in order that it needed more work? Surely we don't think that God was talking about literal fish, and birds and beasts that needed subdued do we? We have to take our perfect finished heaven (state of enlightened consciousness) and bring it into our imperfectly finished earth is what this is saying to me. We can't wait for God to do it for us once we have come to the knowledge of who we are in Him. We are participatory creators of the New Heaven and the New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. I feel that is the whole point that is trying to be said."By man came death, so by man comes the resurrection of the dead"We had a post not long ago called "Which God?" but perhaps this one could be called "Which Man?".....the one who brought death or the one who brings Life?

"Behold the Man"

"The Second Man, the Lord from heaven."

Just sharing from my vantage point.
Much love,
Karen