I believe there must be "birth orders" in God. I'm of the mind to think that we have not all come out of God with the same familial purpose. In other words, in the natural order of a family, there is the first born, then the second borns, and then lastly the baby or youngest in the family and then the onlys, too, which is what I am in the natural.
If the social scientists are correct, they seem to think that what position you have been born in a family has some bearing on how you develop socially and what your interests are.
"Most of us have a dominant birth order personality that matches our birth position. But that personality is influenced by variables such as temperament, gender and other family circumstances. So it is not so much where you are born in your family but how you function that counts. How a person functions generally correlates with birth position."
So can this apply also to being a part of the Firstfruits of the harvest unto God?
The word say Christ was the firstfruits and I believe that means Christ Jesus was the firstfruits as he was the firstborn from among the dead of Adam's race, and then those who are Christ's own will be resurrected at His coming and then comes the completion (of the harvest, I believe this implies).
I believe in the OT the firstborn was to grow up to be the priest for his family and received the birthright.
If Jesus is that for us, he is the firstborn of the New Creation Man and therefore, the King of the kings and the Lord of the lords to the Body of Christ....a king and priest ministry.
And if the Body of Christ is to be this corporate firstborn son, then our calling is to stand as king and priest to the rest of creation because we are to inherit that place because of our birth order. Now none of this has anything to do with favoritism, but all of this is only wrapped up in the outworking of God's great plan for the reconciling of all unto Himself that He might be everything in everyone.
Just a few of my ponderings on the orders.
Love, Karen
Sunday, March 15, 2009
Coats of Skin
I believe our coats of skin, is our natural animal bodies and our "change of garments" is putting on immortality....
"Who will transform and fashion anew our body of humiliation to conform to and be like the body of His glory and majesty, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everyhing to Himself."
Phil. 3:21
Our bodies do humilitate us....by sickness, aging, deformities and death.
But just as Christ is the savior of our soul, he is the savior of the body and every humiliation that we have experienced in soul or body cannot compare to the glory which will be displayed in the royally outfitted immortals.
But I want to add something....all the generations before us that have walked in the spirit, did not put on immortality in the flesh. Does that mean that they missed it in God?....or were somehow deficient in faith?
I believe absolutely not!!! Does that mean that immortality is not a truth? Again, I would say absolutely not!!!
Read the faith chapter of Hebrews 11 - some had marvelous deliverances, others were tortured, sawn in two, imprisioned, lived in caves and caverns....did this mean that they were not walking in faith?
Quite the contrary, God said that all of these, though they won divine approval by means of their faith, they did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised.
Why???
Because God had us in mind!!!!!....and had something better and greater in view for us, so that these heros and heroines of faith should not come to perfection or apart from us, or that is before we could join them.
All of God's saints that have come before us CONCEIVED IMMORTALITY.....that reality was imprinted in our spiritual genes....they were pregnant with the possibility
But
It is in us, the third day people, that God ordained that conception to be brought to birth!!!!!
Paul believed it was to come to fruition in his day, because he saw it...was shown it.....was even caught up into it....and believed that the fullness of that coming was to be realized in his day, but what he did not see or know was that Jesus' proclamation of being perfected and raised up in the third day, was not just about that singular man Jesus, but would involve two, one-thousand-year days to intervene that was for the calling out and preparation of His Body for the the resurrection birthing event.
Jesus' literal body was PREPARED for the Sabbath.
Luke 23:54
This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Then he took it down and rolled it up in a linen cloth for swathing dead bodies, and laid Him in a rock-hewn tomb, where no one had ever yet been laid.
"It was the day of preparation [for the Sabbath], and the Sabbath was dawning or approaching."
These past two days Jesus said he would do cures and cast out devils.....he would heal the wounds of death in our souls and cast out our misperceptions
But
The third day he would be perfected.
This army of the Lord [with the sword of the spirit as its weapon of choice] is a twofold gathering. Enoch prophesied that he's coming with 10,000s of his saints, or his holy myriads, one translation says.....those who are present (living in this realm) and those who are absent (those who have passed on)become the prophet Joel's mighty army, a people numerous and mighty, the like of which has never been before and shall not be again even to the years of many generations." \o/
"Who will transform and fashion anew our body of humiliation to conform to and be like the body of His glory and majesty, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everyhing to Himself."
Phil. 3:21
Our bodies do humilitate us....by sickness, aging, deformities and death.
But just as Christ is the savior of our soul, he is the savior of the body and every humiliation that we have experienced in soul or body cannot compare to the glory which will be displayed in the royally outfitted immortals.
But I want to add something....all the generations before us that have walked in the spirit, did not put on immortality in the flesh. Does that mean that they missed it in God?....or were somehow deficient in faith?
I believe absolutely not!!! Does that mean that immortality is not a truth? Again, I would say absolutely not!!!
Read the faith chapter of Hebrews 11 - some had marvelous deliverances, others were tortured, sawn in two, imprisioned, lived in caves and caverns....did this mean that they were not walking in faith?
Quite the contrary, God said that all of these, though they won divine approval by means of their faith, they did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised.
Why???
Because God had us in mind!!!!!....and had something better and greater in view for us, so that these heros and heroines of faith should not come to perfection or apart from us, or that is before we could join them.
All of God's saints that have come before us CONCEIVED IMMORTALITY.....that reality was imprinted in our spiritual genes....they were pregnant with the possibility
But
It is in us, the third day people, that God ordained that conception to be brought to birth!!!!!
Paul believed it was to come to fruition in his day, because he saw it...was shown it.....was even caught up into it....and believed that the fullness of that coming was to be realized in his day, but what he did not see or know was that Jesus' proclamation of being perfected and raised up in the third day, was not just about that singular man Jesus, but would involve two, one-thousand-year days to intervene that was for the calling out and preparation of His Body for the the resurrection birthing event.
Jesus' literal body was PREPARED for the Sabbath.
Luke 23:54
This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
Then he took it down and rolled it up in a linen cloth for swathing dead bodies, and laid Him in a rock-hewn tomb, where no one had ever yet been laid.
"It was the day of preparation [for the Sabbath], and the Sabbath was dawning or approaching."
These past two days Jesus said he would do cures and cast out devils.....he would heal the wounds of death in our souls and cast out our misperceptions
But
The third day he would be perfected.
This army of the Lord [with the sword of the spirit as its weapon of choice] is a twofold gathering. Enoch prophesied that he's coming with 10,000s of his saints, or his holy myriads, one translation says.....those who are present (living in this realm) and those who are absent (those who have passed on)become the prophet Joel's mighty army, a people numerous and mighty, the like of which has never been before and shall not be again even to the years of many generations." \o/
Mortal vs. Immortal
Just for the short answer: mortal is a word for death....death-ridden, so no, I don't believe that death will have any part in our immortal beings.
Now for anyone to truly know everything there is to know about immortality of the body (not speaking of the spirit and soul) their mortal would have to be demonstrating what Jesus body in the resurrection was capable of. Mine isn't, so I can only speak what little I know, by revelation, not by experience.
I know that there have been catchings up into this dimension....there have been many spiritual spies that have spied out the land, as it were, and came back with glowing reports. I believe it is by faith we are now beholding Him, as He is being unveiled in our understandings, for He is who I Am in these fully realized dimensions. But as bodies walking this out in the earth, I believe we are occupying [holding the vision] in this realm until that coming in fullness is realized in our earth as it is in our heaven. This is the DE-scension of Christ INTO the flesh as opposed to just coming IN us as a hope as he did in Pentecost....our hope of glory. In other words, the hope is to be realized. The Glory of the Lord, fills or floods the temple(our bodies) as it did when Solomon's temple was dedicated and no man could stand to minister. Nothing of the flesh or death-ridden man will be left standing.
Every apostle taught and looked for a greater appearing or coming of the Lord.....all these admonitons were issued AFTER his coming at Pentecost. One of them assures us that he is coming to be glorified in his saints.
His coming at Pentecost, I believe, brought to his body the realization of Christ IN YOU, our hope of glory. Jesus prior to his death and resurrection, said, that it was his Father IN HIM that did the works. He knew it was not in his flesh man where the power resided.
Prior to his resurrection, in John 17, he requests to be glorified with his Fathers very own Self which suggests that prior to this time he was not glorified, but was walking as an anointed man.
What always has thrilled my heart is that I believe that the reason that Jesus did not pour out the gift of the Holy Spirit while walking as a man, was because he was not going reproduce himself as just more human bodies to be anointed, but would anoint us from the Highest Glories and pour out of his Spirit as a foretaste and downpayment of the highest dimensions that would produce for him a spiritual heritage that would be brought up to live from this glory. Through this first installment of glory or anointing we would begin to be taught of his ways and empowered to take up our cross and follow him all the way....all the way into the full realization of immortal life, spirit, soul and body.
Now for anyone to truly know everything there is to know about immortality of the body (not speaking of the spirit and soul) their mortal would have to be demonstrating what Jesus body in the resurrection was capable of. Mine isn't, so I can only speak what little I know, by revelation, not by experience.
I know that there have been catchings up into this dimension....there have been many spiritual spies that have spied out the land, as it were, and came back with glowing reports. I believe it is by faith we are now beholding Him, as He is being unveiled in our understandings, for He is who I Am in these fully realized dimensions. But as bodies walking this out in the earth, I believe we are occupying [holding the vision] in this realm until that coming in fullness is realized in our earth as it is in our heaven. This is the DE-scension of Christ INTO the flesh as opposed to just coming IN us as a hope as he did in Pentecost....our hope of glory. In other words, the hope is to be realized. The Glory of the Lord, fills or floods the temple(our bodies) as it did when Solomon's temple was dedicated and no man could stand to minister. Nothing of the flesh or death-ridden man will be left standing.
Every apostle taught and looked for a greater appearing or coming of the Lord.....all these admonitons were issued AFTER his coming at Pentecost. One of them assures us that he is coming to be glorified in his saints.
His coming at Pentecost, I believe, brought to his body the realization of Christ IN YOU, our hope of glory. Jesus prior to his death and resurrection, said, that it was his Father IN HIM that did the works. He knew it was not in his flesh man where the power resided.
Prior to his resurrection, in John 17, he requests to be glorified with his Fathers very own Self which suggests that prior to this time he was not glorified, but was walking as an anointed man.
What always has thrilled my heart is that I believe that the reason that Jesus did not pour out the gift of the Holy Spirit while walking as a man, was because he was not going reproduce himself as just more human bodies to be anointed, but would anoint us from the Highest Glories and pour out of his Spirit as a foretaste and downpayment of the highest dimensions that would produce for him a spiritual heritage that would be brought up to live from this glory. Through this first installment of glory or anointing we would begin to be taught of his ways and empowered to take up our cross and follow him all the way....all the way into the full realization of immortal life, spirit, soul and body.
What is Sin?
The question was asked "what is sin?"
There are different angles to looking at any truth...some speak more to our spirit, some to soul, and some to body.
We know that the spirit that is born of God cannot and does not sin, or does not miss the mark....in fact, it is what teaches us all truth and convicts of sin.
Teaching of Jesus:
"And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness and about judgement" John 16
There is a passage in Eke. 44 speaking of the priesthood of Melchizidek:
"The priests shall teach my people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to distinguish between the unclean and the clean."
The human experience has brought us all into this death realm. Everything that God does is with purpose and design.
"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
Do you know any child that can perform as its grown up parents? Is it possible for a child to understand, much less perform, everything that its parents do without first growing up? Does riding in a car, automatically make a child understand how to drive one or to take care of its maintenance? Or, in the same way, is seeing the revelations of God or understanding that we are seated with him in heavenly places...are these truths the end of our journey or are they the beginning of us learning how to bring these truths into the experiences of our life journey that we may grow up in Christ in all things and not 'sin' or not miss the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
To hit the bull's eye, is to walk in the full glory of God....to have that glory expressed fully in our mind, [knowing everything that He knows] and expressed fully in our bodies [being able to do anything that He can do].
But when we are children in our development we were or are "too short" or too immature; you can't quite get that arrow to go all the way to its target. It like a little boy who is stands beside his father trying to shoot arrows at his Dad's target which is too far away for him at this stage of his growth. But his Dad is not disturbed at all that he 'sins' or misses the target because he knows full well that with growth and development this child will grow into manhood and stand tall and virile just as he is.
While we are still having our truth or 'salvation' worked out in us ["work out your salvation with fear and trembling]
or while you are still having Christ formed within you
["That you may really come to know -practically through experience for yourselves - the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge without experience; that you may be filled through all your being unto all the fullness of God and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself!" Eph. 3:19]
While this process is being realized in us beyond just the revelation of its truth to us, as wonderful as revelations are,
we will find that while we are still growing up into him, or up into the maturity of Christ, we may find we still 'sin', or we make mistakes, fall short of the full glory of Chirst by being unloving, or needing deep wounds to be healed, at times being reactionary instead of being at rest. Does it really matter what 'tag' you call all this?.... Or we can try to pretend that none of us have ever had any of this to deal with if we want, but we are all here by the will of God, lowered into this realm of death for the outworking of the grand design of our Creator. "Let us make Man". We are being "made" the righteousness of God spirit, soul and body.
There are different angles to looking at any truth...some speak more to our spirit, some to soul, and some to body.
We know that the spirit that is born of God cannot and does not sin, or does not miss the mark....in fact, it is what teaches us all truth and convicts of sin.
Teaching of Jesus:
"And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness and about judgement" John 16
There is a passage in Eke. 44 speaking of the priesthood of Melchizidek:
"The priests shall teach my people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to distinguish between the unclean and the clean."
The human experience has brought us all into this death realm. Everything that God does is with purpose and design.
"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
Do you know any child that can perform as its grown up parents? Is it possible for a child to understand, much less perform, everything that its parents do without first growing up? Does riding in a car, automatically make a child understand how to drive one or to take care of its maintenance? Or, in the same way, is seeing the revelations of God or understanding that we are seated with him in heavenly places...are these truths the end of our journey or are they the beginning of us learning how to bring these truths into the experiences of our life journey that we may grow up in Christ in all things and not 'sin' or not miss the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
To hit the bull's eye, is to walk in the full glory of God....to have that glory expressed fully in our mind, [knowing everything that He knows] and expressed fully in our bodies [being able to do anything that He can do].
But when we are children in our development we were or are "too short" or too immature; you can't quite get that arrow to go all the way to its target. It like a little boy who is stands beside his father trying to shoot arrows at his Dad's target which is too far away for him at this stage of his growth. But his Dad is not disturbed at all that he 'sins' or misses the target because he knows full well that with growth and development this child will grow into manhood and stand tall and virile just as he is.
While we are still having our truth or 'salvation' worked out in us ["work out your salvation with fear and trembling]
or while you are still having Christ formed within you
["That you may really come to know -practically through experience for yourselves - the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge without experience; that you may be filled through all your being unto all the fullness of God and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself!" Eph. 3:19]
While this process is being realized in us beyond just the revelation of its truth to us, as wonderful as revelations are,
we will find that while we are still growing up into him, or up into the maturity of Christ, we may find we still 'sin', or we make mistakes, fall short of the full glory of Chirst by being unloving, or needing deep wounds to be healed, at times being reactionary instead of being at rest. Does it really matter what 'tag' you call all this?.... Or we can try to pretend that none of us have ever had any of this to deal with if we want, but we are all here by the will of God, lowered into this realm of death for the outworking of the grand design of our Creator. "Let us make Man". We are being "made" the righteousness of God spirit, soul and body.
How Sin is "Taken Away"
I know that this is a somewhat touchy subject if the word sin gets involved at all and I hear all of your hearts in this matter for I know this is where you are speaking from....we all know that we are complete in him and have been seated with him in heavenly places. I surely hope you don't think I am saying that my true identity is a sinner?
"It is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world."
All sin is forgiven.....God is not imputing trespasses!! That is surely is not what I am sharing.
But being forgiven sin and having all sin and any of its residual effects vanquished or taken away from all our thoughts, words and deeds is quite another.
I can forgive my 10 year old any immaturity of behavior that he has, but as a parent, I can't take his immaturity away from him....he has to do that by growing up into adulthood. Then his immaturity is taken away by his growth. I gave him his life as his parent, but he is the one that gives that life a living.
God as our heavenly parent gave us his life, and we as his children in turn give that Life a living. How we invest our Life or God energy as we are quickened alive in him, determines if we prove to be obedient children or rebellious ones.
Jesus taught us that everything that was written of him in the law, the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled in him....well, we are as he is. There are the two works and comings of the Lord taught in the law through the two doves, and the two goats and with purpose, for they speak of how God is unfolding his plan first in the singular firstborn son from the dead, Jesus, and then in us as the Corporate Body of Christ, as we are roused from among the dead too to do the greater works.
I have been one that has loved to teach who we are in Christ. Christ Jesus, in his glorification, is who I am outside of the realm of time. This means I have realized in fullness who I am in him in the heavens - in other words, I have been glorified in spirit, soul and body like unto Jesus in his resurrection, glorification and ascension. I have no limitations....my word is final and flawless. My every thought is pure and holy. My body is immortal coming and going as the wind, dwelling at the interface of heaven's horizon and earths manifestation with full access to either dimension.
We have been blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realm! Eph. 1:2
But since we all have been lowered into fraility and futility, not because of some intentional fault on our own part, but by the will of the One who so subjected us, yet with a hope, the Holy Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weak times, and the Spirit Himself pleads within us in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
Because we have been foreknown and loved before the foundations of world and set apart as his own, he foreordained us, destined us, planned in love for us to be revealed as his own children through Jesus Christ.
God planned for the maturity of the times to unify all things BOTH in heaven and on earth.
As we put this salvation on here, in our earth as it is in our heavens ...as we put on Christ, as we put on the Lamb nature of God in all its beauty, all sin and any residual effects of it in either my soul (what I think or feel) or body (what I do) are taken away......they become null and void!!
"The Lamb of God takes away the sin of our world", not just legally but experientially.
Jesus came from our future which is the Eternal Now and showed us who we are in finished form. We are just catching up with our true self and learning how in our Now.
Then what is true in my heavens can now be realized in my earth....and we become God's inheritance.
We always speak of our inheritance in Christ, but God has an inheritance too...
"In Him we also were made [God's] heritage (portion)...in accordance with His purpose, who works out everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His own will. Eph. 1
Love and blessings to all,
Karen
"It is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world."
All sin is forgiven.....God is not imputing trespasses!! That is surely is not what I am sharing.
But being forgiven sin and having all sin and any of its residual effects vanquished or taken away from all our thoughts, words and deeds is quite another.
I can forgive my 10 year old any immaturity of behavior that he has, but as a parent, I can't take his immaturity away from him....he has to do that by growing up into adulthood. Then his immaturity is taken away by his growth. I gave him his life as his parent, but he is the one that gives that life a living.
God as our heavenly parent gave us his life, and we as his children in turn give that Life a living. How we invest our Life or God energy as we are quickened alive in him, determines if we prove to be obedient children or rebellious ones.
Jesus taught us that everything that was written of him in the law, the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled in him....well, we are as he is. There are the two works and comings of the Lord taught in the law through the two doves, and the two goats and with purpose, for they speak of how God is unfolding his plan first in the singular firstborn son from the dead, Jesus, and then in us as the Corporate Body of Christ, as we are roused from among the dead too to do the greater works.
I have been one that has loved to teach who we are in Christ. Christ Jesus, in his glorification, is who I am outside of the realm of time. This means I have realized in fullness who I am in him in the heavens - in other words, I have been glorified in spirit, soul and body like unto Jesus in his resurrection, glorification and ascension. I have no limitations....my word is final and flawless. My every thought is pure and holy. My body is immortal coming and going as the wind, dwelling at the interface of heaven's horizon and earths manifestation with full access to either dimension.
We have been blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realm! Eph. 1:2
But since we all have been lowered into fraility and futility, not because of some intentional fault on our own part, but by the will of the One who so subjected us, yet with a hope, the Holy Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weak times, and the Spirit Himself pleads within us in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
Because we have been foreknown and loved before the foundations of world and set apart as his own, he foreordained us, destined us, planned in love for us to be revealed as his own children through Jesus Christ.
God planned for the maturity of the times to unify all things BOTH in heaven and on earth.
As we put this salvation on here, in our earth as it is in our heavens ...as we put on Christ, as we put on the Lamb nature of God in all its beauty, all sin and any residual effects of it in either my soul (what I think or feel) or body (what I do) are taken away......they become null and void!!
"The Lamb of God takes away the sin of our world", not just legally but experientially.
Jesus came from our future which is the Eternal Now and showed us who we are in finished form. We are just catching up with our true self and learning how in our Now.
Then what is true in my heavens can now be realized in my earth....and we become God's inheritance.
We always speak of our inheritance in Christ, but God has an inheritance too...
"In Him we also were made [God's] heritage (portion)...in accordance with His purpose, who works out everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His own will. Eph. 1
Love and blessings to all,
Karen
Misspelled DNA
I have been blessed reading everyones sharings..just wanted to make a comment on something that Diana shared:
what I've experienced however, is that there seem to be deep tracks/patterns of beliefs within me that contradict the higher ideals, and they are so deep, some of them, that I am actually unconscious of these "blockages"....
Yes, Diana, I believe you have said a whole boat load of truth here!!
You can do affirmations, tape scriptures up on the mirror or the frig, read the bible nonstop, say Jesus, Jesus, and try to pray without ceasing, but when any of these things are done just from our surface mind, or the conscious mind they usually prove to be just dead works.
Now I know that many here are NOT meaning that or advocating that but that we are to do it from our spirit essence. So this is not a judgment for any that are choosing to exercise their faith, but I would just like to present something that, for me, helped define why we have experienced some of these things.
I believe that all of our individual programming is in the subconscious mind or realm, as I believe you were just saying, we do these things as you were outlining, unconsciously, many times without thought because they are programs that have been running on auto pilot or without giving conscious thought to them......But I also believe many of these things that our bodies go through are genetic predispositions and weaknesses. So I do believe that we carry all the sicknesses, sins and unbelief of every ancestor that makes up our DNA, not so that we can become one with them, but that they can become one with the Christ that we truly are. They have a "voice" and a connection through us. Our flesh or our natural man carries them as far back as 10,000 generations scientists say.
The bible speaks about the word becoming flesh... that works both negatively and positively, me thinks. When the words of doubt, unbelief, jealousy, greed, sicknesses or any other thing that has defined the human condition, traveled around in one of our ancestors belief systems long enough, it was imprinted in their flesh. Their word became flesh and was passed down in the generations of DNA.
Now, because we are being made alive in Christ we know that are our true identity is a Christ being, but this Christ being is housed in our earthly house made up of these many generations that can have some falsely programmed DNA. Our DNA is made up of only a 4 letter alphabet, A,C,G,T. And there are billions of 'spellings' in this genetic library that we call our body. We all have misspelled DNA....only the Holy Spirit can do a spell-check on our DNA and correct the 'spelling' errors.
Remember when Israel was told how they were to rout the enemy...or to take the land
Ex. 23:
"..I will be an enemy to your enemies and and an adversary to your adversaries.
I will not drive them out from before you, in one year, lest the land become desolate [for lack of attention] and the wild beasts multiply against you.
Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased and are numerous enough to take possession of the land."
Everything in us is coming up for judgment. All judgment is given unto the son and judgment begins at the house of God, whose house we are.
Every condition known unto man I personally believe is carried in God's elect. But the 'buck stops here'...I am one with the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending.....as these things arise is us or are made known to us, little by little we are possessing our land.....we have the opportunity to minister love and forgiveness to those parts of ourselves....to be a savior to them. God's way of overcoming an enemy is to love it to "death". We should not be condemning ourselves because we have experienced the human condition and all its lacks, for we have been God on assignment set/sent in the midst of creation to become it saviors.
"And you shall [earnestly] remember all the way which the Lord your God led you these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you, and to prove you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep his commandments or not." Deut. 8
Praise God...we have staked our claim. "Ask of me and I will give you the nations for your inheritance." \o/
"Even so it is that Christ having been offered to take upon himself and bear as a burden the sins of many...will appear a second time, not carrying any burden of sin, but to bring to full salvation those who are eagerly and patiently waiting for and expecting him." Heb.9
what I've experienced however, is that there seem to be deep tracks/patterns of beliefs within me that contradict the higher ideals, and they are so deep, some of them, that I am actually unconscious of these "blockages"....
Yes, Diana, I believe you have said a whole boat load of truth here!!
You can do affirmations, tape scriptures up on the mirror or the frig, read the bible nonstop, say Jesus, Jesus, and try to pray without ceasing, but when any of these things are done just from our surface mind, or the conscious mind they usually prove to be just dead works.
Now I know that many here are NOT meaning that or advocating that but that we are to do it from our spirit essence. So this is not a judgment for any that are choosing to exercise their faith, but I would just like to present something that, for me, helped define why we have experienced some of these things.
I believe that all of our individual programming is in the subconscious mind or realm, as I believe you were just saying, we do these things as you were outlining, unconsciously, many times without thought because they are programs that have been running on auto pilot or without giving conscious thought to them......But I also believe many of these things that our bodies go through are genetic predispositions and weaknesses. So I do believe that we carry all the sicknesses, sins and unbelief of every ancestor that makes up our DNA, not so that we can become one with them, but that they can become one with the Christ that we truly are. They have a "voice" and a connection through us. Our flesh or our natural man carries them as far back as 10,000 generations scientists say.
The bible speaks about the word becoming flesh... that works both negatively and positively, me thinks. When the words of doubt, unbelief, jealousy, greed, sicknesses or any other thing that has defined the human condition, traveled around in one of our ancestors belief systems long enough, it was imprinted in their flesh. Their word became flesh and was passed down in the generations of DNA.
Now, because we are being made alive in Christ we know that are our true identity is a Christ being, but this Christ being is housed in our earthly house made up of these many generations that can have some falsely programmed DNA. Our DNA is made up of only a 4 letter alphabet, A,C,G,T. And there are billions of 'spellings' in this genetic library that we call our body. We all have misspelled DNA....only the Holy Spirit can do a spell-check on our DNA and correct the 'spelling' errors.
Remember when Israel was told how they were to rout the enemy...or to take the land
Ex. 23:
"..I will be an enemy to your enemies and and an adversary to your adversaries.
I will not drive them out from before you, in one year, lest the land become desolate [for lack of attention] and the wild beasts multiply against you.
Little by little I will drive them out from before you, until you have increased and are numerous enough to take possession of the land."
Everything in us is coming up for judgment. All judgment is given unto the son and judgment begins at the house of God, whose house we are.
Every condition known unto man I personally believe is carried in God's elect. But the 'buck stops here'...I am one with the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending.....as these things arise is us or are made known to us, little by little we are possessing our land.....we have the opportunity to minister love and forgiveness to those parts of ourselves....to be a savior to them. God's way of overcoming an enemy is to love it to "death". We should not be condemning ourselves because we have experienced the human condition and all its lacks, for we have been God on assignment set/sent in the midst of creation to become it saviors.
"And you shall [earnestly] remember all the way which the Lord your God led you these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you, and to prove you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep his commandments or not." Deut. 8
Praise God...we have staked our claim. "Ask of me and I will give you the nations for your inheritance." \o/
"Even so it is that Christ having been offered to take upon himself and bear as a burden the sins of many...will appear a second time, not carrying any burden of sin, but to bring to full salvation those who are eagerly and patiently waiting for and expecting him." Heb.9
Sunday, March 01, 2009
I Am ??? Am I ???
If you attend an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting you will probably hear confessions of : “I am an alcoholic.”
Same with many of the support groups:
“I am a rape victim”
“I am a drug addict”
“I am a widow/widower" (grief counseling)
or how about...
“I am a Christian”
"I am a Buddhist“"
"I am a Baptist”
“I am a Pentecostal”
or
"I am a woman"
"I am a man"
"I am a child"
or
"I am a wife"
"I am a husband"
"I am a mother"
"I am a father"
"I am a sister"
"I am a brother"
"I am caucausian""
"I am black"
"I am Asian"
"I am native American"
"I am English, Irish, German, Russian, French, Polish etc"
What is the common denominator in all of these confessions?
Of course, you see it – it is I AM !
Is the I Am an alcoholic?...a rape victim, a diabetic, a drug addict, a widow or widower??
No,
But the I Am lives in the alcoholic, the rape victim, the drug addict, the widow/widower, the man, woman or child who may be English, Irish or whatever nationality and who may profess to be be a Baptist or a Buddhist. These are all conditions of the human experience, some confesssions from being unenlightened to your identity or from the ego usurping the throne and some from the natural course and happenings of human events.
The I Am is a state of Being, as I see it. God just IS. S/he is Love, Joy, Peace, Righteousness, etc... But what Is, needs a place to express what It Is.
So,
the I Am has no expression other than what we as a creation give it. I do believe that I Am “dresses” Itself as male or female, doctor, lawyer, or Indian chief, [as Ronflyer always says, “God dresses us all funny” :)] but perhaps in the context of what I am trying to share here, perhaps we are the ones that really put on some of the really “funny” costumes because we have not always known our spirit identity.
But still Spirit must have a Body, a vessel of expression to reveal or unfold Itself through. Being an unclothed spirit is not our destination or the High Calling of God in Christ Jesus IMO. The unbreakable decree of Elohim from the beginning was, “Let us make Man.” The MAN he is making is one whose spirit, soul and body are all harmoniously manifesting the Life of I AM and through these singularly harmonious amalgamations a united Collective Body is created– this is the MAN, The Collective New Creation Man, that I believe that God has been creating and is raising up in this Day of the Lord.
All of God's days begin in darkness...Genesis shows us that by saying, “The evening and the morning was the first day, etc”. Just as a natural child is first formed in Mother's womb in the darkness before it is born out of its dark watery world into the light of day and begins to now breathe air in its lungs. What was once a very confining limiting experience, but an all together necessary one while in the forming process, makes a quantum leap at the time of birth into a brand new expansive world that operates from different directives.
All of creation up until this time has been time spent in the womb of formation....the process is nearing its delivery date for an appointed people. This is not a singular birth but a collective one I believe. It will take just such a mass appearing of EnChristened ones to effect a world change and make the world to take notice that the Lord liveth and the “Most High God does reign and he rules in the affairs of man.” I believe that the Lord's coming within this First gathered Fruit is in secret or within us, but his appearing or manifesting of this Body is not to be in secret. His coming is an eternal Day or a forever Now, but the eternal is being unfolded in us in ever greater glory culminating in not just a justified people, nor just a sanctified people, but a glorified people, "as he comes to be glorified in his people."
Same with many of the support groups:
“I am a rape victim”
“I am a drug addict”
“I am a widow/widower" (grief counseling)
or how about...
“I am a Christian”
"I am a Buddhist“"
"I am a Baptist”
“I am a Pentecostal”
or
"I am a woman"
"I am a man"
"I am a child"
or
"I am a wife"
"I am a husband"
"I am a mother"
"I am a father"
"I am a sister"
"I am a brother"
"I am caucausian""
"I am black"
"I am Asian"
"I am native American"
"I am English, Irish, German, Russian, French, Polish etc"
What is the common denominator in all of these confessions?
Of course, you see it – it is I AM !
Is the I Am an alcoholic?...a rape victim, a diabetic, a drug addict, a widow or widower??
No,
But the I Am lives in the alcoholic, the rape victim, the drug addict, the widow/widower, the man, woman or child who may be English, Irish or whatever nationality and who may profess to be be a Baptist or a Buddhist. These are all conditions of the human experience, some confesssions from being unenlightened to your identity or from the ego usurping the throne and some from the natural course and happenings of human events.
The I Am is a state of Being, as I see it. God just IS. S/he is Love, Joy, Peace, Righteousness, etc... But what Is, needs a place to express what It Is.
So,
the I Am has no expression other than what we as a creation give it. I do believe that I Am “dresses” Itself as male or female, doctor, lawyer, or Indian chief, [as Ronflyer always says, “God dresses us all funny” :)] but perhaps in the context of what I am trying to share here, perhaps we are the ones that really put on some of the really “funny” costumes because we have not always known our spirit identity.
But still Spirit must have a Body, a vessel of expression to reveal or unfold Itself through. Being an unclothed spirit is not our destination or the High Calling of God in Christ Jesus IMO. The unbreakable decree of Elohim from the beginning was, “Let us make Man.” The MAN he is making is one whose spirit, soul and body are all harmoniously manifesting the Life of I AM and through these singularly harmonious amalgamations a united Collective Body is created– this is the MAN, The Collective New Creation Man, that I believe that God has been creating and is raising up in this Day of the Lord.
All of God's days begin in darkness...Genesis shows us that by saying, “The evening and the morning was the first day, etc”. Just as a natural child is first formed in Mother's womb in the darkness before it is born out of its dark watery world into the light of day and begins to now breathe air in its lungs. What was once a very confining limiting experience, but an all together necessary one while in the forming process, makes a quantum leap at the time of birth into a brand new expansive world that operates from different directives.
All of creation up until this time has been time spent in the womb of formation....the process is nearing its delivery date for an appointed people. This is not a singular birth but a collective one I believe. It will take just such a mass appearing of EnChristened ones to effect a world change and make the world to take notice that the Lord liveth and the “Most High God does reign and he rules in the affairs of man.” I believe that the Lord's coming within this First gathered Fruit is in secret or within us, but his appearing or manifesting of this Body is not to be in secret. His coming is an eternal Day or a forever Now, but the eternal is being unfolded in us in ever greater glory culminating in not just a justified people, nor just a sanctified people, but a glorified people, "as he comes to be glorified in his people."
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